Era el Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:35:58 -0800 (PST) cuando Daryl Caudill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió:
> Greetings fellow admins! > > I must say I'm stunned by this. Why on earth would anyone want to switch > servers from debian to ubuntu? Is it Debian isn't good enough anymore, or > ubuntu is somehow better as a server? > > I apologize for starting an argument, but I do feel the point should be > made. I can't be the only person wondering about this. I am not trolling, > but in good conscience I cannot accept this idea. I just do not understand. > Why would ebox even consider changing distro's? and moving to ubuntu? Why > would any server software want to run on an unstable, bleeding edge > distribution like ubuntu? > > For those of you who don't know this, Ubuntu is based on taking a snapshot of > debian's UNSTABLE sid version (you read right, I said unstable, aka "as new > as it gets, updated daily"), clean some things up, then release it as > ubuntu. Ubuntu is BLEEDING EDGE software. It is far from stable. It should > never be used for production server use. It is for experimental and > non-production use. If you disagree, good luck supporting those servers, > you'll need it. I would never build a server based on unstable software from > any distribution, including debian' s unstable branch. I wouldn't even build > a server based on debian's testing "lenny" version which has been heavily > tested, but still not yet considered stable. I build my servers using > thoroughly tested STABLE code, currently debian etch. Why on earth would > anyone want to build a server using unstable code like ubuntu is beyond my > comprehension. I wouldn't want to support it. Think about it. That is a > massive support disaster waiting to happen. > > That's point one, changing distros, don't do it! > > Point two is the target audience. Most debian admins are experienced. Most > ubuntu people are GREEN GREEN GREEN. > > I realize ubuntu is the most popular linux desktop right now, so is this a > move to expand the market acceptance of ebox? > > Do you really want to support your server software run by people new to > linux? Just look at the ubuntu forums. It's a noob fest, full of people new > to linux. A noob asks a question, then 10 other noobs respond with that they > "think" it "might be". EGADS! They have no clue what LDIF or vi is. > > This mailing list will quickly be dominated by noob ubuntu questions that > have nothing to do with ebox. Instead of LDAP questions, you'll have "I > can't boot" questions. Do you really want to target people who have less > than one year linux experience? > > It takes years of experience integrating LDAP with samba, mail, squid, vpn, > etc. These are amongst the hardest linux technologies to learn. I > understand ebox is trying to make it easier for people to have an integrated > server without EXTENSIVE experience, and I applaud that, but do you really > want to target people with no experience, who can't do anything without a > mouse? > > Here's a comparision: a person is new to windows, using it for only one > year. Hey, lets give them a free copy of windows SERVER, and watch them try > to figure out active directory, when they don't know the difference between > RAM and ROM and hard disk storage. Two cups of coffee and they'll have > active directory licked :) I know, that example is extreme, but not off by > much! I'm sure you get my point. > > I'm now building my integrated servers on debian etch, using all standard > packages. I recently discovered ebox and want to use it, but I'm not willing > to go back to Debian Sarge. It's too old, and is not the current stable > version. > > I really really wish I could be using that great ebox interface on my > servers, but I can't. I'm stuck with custom scripts, and tools like > phpldapadmin and webmin. However, I'd rather have to configure things > manually on a current stable server, then have a gui on an unreliable ubuntu > server. I can't be the only admin who feels this way. > > Please, I beg you to reconsider. Stay with debian. Get ebox working on > Etch. Make sure it's ready to upgrade when Lenny goes stable. Don't turn > your back on a solid distro with experienced admins. Fix what you have, > before creating more problems. > There's a bug filled on the eBox Trac, you can comment on this. Currently we at HTU are working on supporting eBox on Debian unstable (which at some point becomes stable and release). Feel free to add suggestions or patches. regards -- Rudy Godoy Gerente Comercial HTU Networks http://www.htu.com.pe tel.: +51-1-223-2442 cel.: +51-1-92807020 _______________________________________________ Ebox-user mailing list [email protected] https://lists.warp.es/mailman/listinfo/ebox-user
