These are good questions Michael.  Unfortunately we seem only capable of 
maintaining a few active discussions (and presentation happened to be 
first).

In the EclipseCon presentation/BOF and in the wiki we talked about "The 20 
Things", which are the base intrinsic services that the platform provides. 
 Things like selection, commands, jobs, etc.  We need to start talking 
about these, they're critical because they'll form the programming model.

>>For example, why is CVS and Ant part of the (current) platform
>>but not EMF? EMF seems more fundamental and general than say, CVS.

Certainly in the case of CVS historical.  Going forward, especially now 
that we have p2, I'd like to see a clearer split between base technologies 
vs. optional technologies (resources, JFace, Ant etc.), and vs. vertical 
domain components (CVS, JDT, etc).  That's part architectural (ensuring 
the dependencies are right, as per your more recent note), and part 
packaging.

Kevin




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I think what is considered part of current (eclipse 3) "platform"
is partly determined by the history of eclipse. Will we just
take the historic platform components and rework them as e4?

The e4 discussion up to now has been very much focused on the
presentation layer (SWT/JFace/Workbench).

I'd like to see a clear picture of what is part of e4 and what the
layers are.

What about compare, text, jobs, update, resources, debug, team? Are
those part of e4? What will be the impact of e4 on those components?

For example, why is CVS and Ant part of the (current) platform
but not EMF? EMF seems more fundamental and general than say, CVS.


Michael
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