Brian,
Comments below.
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Hi all...
Though I appreciate all the great discussion going on around e4 and
the UI work being done (though most of it is beyond me, not being an
HTML/CSS guy, I do find it fascinating), I was wondering if there is
room in e4 to focus on other parts of the Eclipse ecosystem as well.
There's room for any warm body who's willing to provide focus!
One of the issues IMHO across some of the major Eclipse projects is
the issue of cross-project integration. This is especially evident (to
me anyway) in terms of connection frameworks.
What? Our projects aren't all seamlessly integrated and tested as a
working whole? Oh yeah, we don't do that...
The Eclipse ecosystem has many different types of "connection"
frameworks. The CVS (Eclipse Platform), Remote Systems Explorer
(DSDP-TM), Web (WTP), Communications (ECF), and Database Development
(DTP) perspectives all have their own server/system connection
management user interfaces and connection frameworks. WTP has been
working with DTP to handle management of database connections, which
is great, but it's just the tip of the iceberg.
I'm glad EMF didn't provide one. :-P Oh wait, maybe if I did and
everyone used it...
Within e4, we have a chance to settle on a common framework for
connection management and its associated UI. This would not only help
out the user with a common look and feel across the Eclipse ecosystem
for connecting to various systems, but it would allow adopters and
extenders to take advantage of this common framework so they too would
fit into the Eclipse-iverse more seamlessly to their own users.
Joking aside, that sounds like an excellent idea!
The connection framework within DTP, though used primarily for JDBC
database connections at this point, has been used with great success
in many other ways by Sybase products to connect to file systems,
application servers, UDDI and LDAP repositories, and so on. I think it
has great potential to fill the need for a common connection framework
in e4.
However, integrating will the other projects in Eclipse will be tricky
at best and require a great deal of collaboration from many interested
parties.
Yes, there always seem to be issues with were to put these common
things. Everyone is happy to depend on the platform, but generally seem
to avoid depending on other things if possible.
Do others see this as a problem that could be addressed within the e4
timeframe? Or am I way out of scope with this suggestion?
I think you're way on target.
Thanks
--Fitz (aka Brian Fitzpatrick)
Brian Fitzpatrick
Eclipse Data Tools Platform PMC Chair
Eclipse Data Tools Platform Connectivity Team Lead
Staff Software Engineer, Sybase, Inc.
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Re: [eclipse-incubator-e4-dev] Technical issues with the e4 CSS call
- feedback appreciated to evaluate Yugma
Chris and I tried out dimdim just for fun. It was still ok but not
great. I had some horrible echo I could not get rid of and the screen
sharing from the Mac did not really work. Sharing from the PC was ok
but apparently the refreshes were slow. So not recommented.
It might also be interesting to press the foundation to supply
GoToMeeting rooms. The cost is not too high.
If you are interested in this, please voice your support and
justification on
_https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=244840_
Jeff
Jeff McAffer wrote:
dimdim.com is another option. its free for up to 20 people in a room.
I used it a while ago and it was ok. There is a new version that
claims to be much improved. have not tried lately...
Jeff
Chris Aniszczyk wrote:
Before we do this... is any member company that uses GotoMeeting or
WebEx willing to donate some time?
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Kevin McGuire
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Hi gang,
It appeared that people were having a lot of technical problems with
the e4 CSS call. This was the first time using Yugma and I'd
appreciate some feedback to understand if its worth trying to use in
the future. The problems I saw:
1) People showed up in the screen sharing but they never joined the
conf call. There may have been confusion over which # to dial, the
one I sent out (my conf call #), or the one that Yugma sent out
(presumably some VOID service of theirs).
2) People were connecting/disconnecting/connecting/ to the session.
It seemed the connectivity was poor/unreliable?
3) For reasons I am not clear on, some of the invitees who were to
have been given ability to share their screen were not. I couldn't
figure a way of correcting that. When sending the invites, you
specify who is in which category. I would've given everyone screen
sharing, but I assumed it worked by email login ID matched against the
invites which doesn't work for sending to an entire mail list.
Its a lot cheaper than WebEx (estimate was it was going to cost $300)
but there's no sense using it if the quality and reliabilit isn't there.
Thanks,
Kevin
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