Thanks Brian!
There's just one point I'd like to make very clear from the beginning:
For me, the main motivation for going towards connection management
unification, is striving for improved usability and unified user
experience.
In case we'd find that unifying the architectures to a point where it
actually becomes harder for users to handle there use-cases, it
would be a failure.
But I'm looking forward to seeing your dog & pony :-)
Cheers,
--
Martin Oberhuber, Senior Member of Technical Staff, Wind River
Target Management Project Lead, DSDP PMC Member
http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm
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Hi Martin!
Yes, I'll be happy to host a dog & pony show to share
everybody's wares. :)
Let me see what I can pull together early next week as far as
demo'able materials and screen sharing (we can probably use my Microsoft
Live Meeting account so long as we're not talking too many folks, maybe
< 20?) and then we can discuss dates/times that might work for
everyone...
I look forward to the discussion. I'm sure we can come up with
something that works across the board if we put our heads together and
re-use a bunch of stuff where it makes sense.
Thanks!
--Fitz
Brian Fitzpatrick
Eclipse Data Tools Platform PMC Chair
Eclipse Data Tools Platform Connectivity Team Lead
Staff Software Engineer, Sybase, Inc.
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Hi Brian,
this sounds like a great idea. I'm CC'ing Dave Dykstal (DSDP-TM
/ RSE) and Scott
Lewis (ECF) here to broaden the discussion, as well as Doug Gaff
from the
DSDP PMC. For background, see
http://wiki.eclipse.org/E4/Connection_Frameworks
<http://wiki.eclipse.org/E4/Connection_Frameworks>
I think it would make sense if we prepare a conference / demo
session to
understand what we all have. You could showcase what DTP has,
and I'd
also be interested to see Sybase vendor-specific extensions of
the DTP
framework used for other kinds of connectivity. Others could
probably also
kick in and make some demo of their stuff.
If that sounds good to you, could you propose a meeting time and
Screen Sharing facility? I could offer using Wind River's Webex
account but haven't used it myself so far so I'm not sure how
well
it would work for a shared demo session.
In order to also add the technical aspect of DSDP-TM, we do have
a lot of re-usable widgets, wizards and views for generic kinds
of
connections and the resources below them. But our code pre-dates
the Common Navigator, so we don't have a CN integration yet.
And, the kinds of connections that we've been managing are
biased
towards TCP/IP so they are not quite as generic as they could
be.
We do, however, have a concept of system types with pluggable
subsystem kinds which proved quite usable so far.
I fully agree that in a world where the "Network" is becoming
more
important than the local client, a generic approach for the user
to
manage connections of all kinds will simplify user experience
(and help reducing code duplication and bloat).
Cheers,
--
Martin Oberhuber, Senior Member of Technical Staff, Wind River
Target Management Project Lead, DSDP PMC Member
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Hi all...
Though I appreciate all the great discussion going on around e4
and the UI work being done (though most of it is beyond me, not being an
HTML/CSS guy, I do find it fascinating), I was wondering if there is
room in e4 to focus on other parts of the Eclipse ecosystem as well.
One of the issues IMHO across some of the major Eclipse projects
is the issue of cross-project integration. This is especially evident
(to me anyway) in terms of connection frameworks.
The Eclipse ecosystem has many different types of "connection"
frameworks. The CVS (Eclipse Platform), Remote Systems Explorer
(DSDP-TM), Web (WTP), Communications (ECF), and Database Development
(DTP) perspectives all have their own server/system connection
management user interfaces and connection frameworks. WTP has been
working with DTP to handle management of database connections, which is
great, but it's just the tip of the iceberg.
Within e4, we have a chance to settle on a common framework for
connection management and its associated UI. This would not only help
out the user with a common look and feel across the Eclipse ecosystem
for connecting to various systems, but it would allow adopters and
extenders to take advantage of this common framework so they too would
fit into the Eclipse-iverse more seamlessly to their own users.
The connection framework within DTP, though used primarily for
JDBC database connections at this point, has been used with great
success in many other ways by Sybase products to connect to file
systems, application servers, UDDI and LDAP repositories, and so on. I
think it has great potential to fill the need for a common connection
framework in e4.
However, integrating will the other projects in Eclipse will be
tricky at best and require a great deal of collaboration from many
interested parties.
Do others see this as a problem that could be addressed within
the e4 timeframe? Or am I way out of scope with this suggestion?
Thanks
--Fitz (aka Brian Fitzpatrick)
Brian Fitzpatrick
Eclipse Data Tools Platform PMC Chair
Eclipse Data Tools Platform Connectivity Team Lead
Staff Software Engineer, Sybase,
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