Hello, Anton Vodonosov writes:
> Hello Daniel, > > My main wish to you: the most important criterion - don't break ECL, > don't make it worse than it is today. Thank you. I do agree, it's most important case and my greatest concern about whole thing. > > And thanks for your initiative to take care about the project. > > From your list of goals, I think new release is the most important, > because HEAD is quite different from the last release. Juan Jose > didn't released his last changes, so probably the HEAD is > in some work-in progress state. > > I can help with testing using cl-test-grid - we build all the libraries > from quicklisp on old release, and with new release and compare results > to detect regressions, like this: > https://common-lisp.net/project/cl-test-grid/ecl/ecl-diff-2-lisp-to-c.html > Thank you. I saw you already submitted some test results. I'll take a closer look at whole procedure as next thing. BR, Daniel ps. sorry for resend - i had problems with mu4e configuration (wrong e-mail sender address, and mail didn't came through to mailing list). > > > 21.02.2015, 09:51, "Daniel Kochmański" <jackdan...@hellsgate.pl>: >> Hello, >> >> it's saturday and nobody has risen concerns about new maintainership, so >> I assume it's ok with you all - thanks for putting trust on unknown >> person. >> >> For start I need admin privileges on SF, and on wikispaces (which also >> requires subscription renewal). My user name on both portals is >> dkochmanski. >> >> Best regards, >> Daniel >> >> Juan Jose Garcia-Ripoll writes: >>> Dear all, >>> >>> first of all thanks for taking me into consideration and for volunteering >>> to continue the project. I was overoptimistic in assuming that I could even >>> continue fixing bugs or reading the mailing list at all. I therefore >>> welcome any initiative to have a stable team that works on bugs and keeps >>> the project alive and useful. Just let me know what you need, such as >>> adding you to the Admin list and perhaps updating or giving you access to >>> other resources. >>> >>> Since I do not have much time to read these threads, I would appreciate a >>> warning when the issue has been settled by the community, with a list of >>> steps that I should take. >>> >>> Best regards >>> >>> Juanjo >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 10:00 PM, ZhanLin Shang <shangzhan...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> Hi Daniel, >>>> I agree with your opinion, I know some C (I've been playing around with C >>>> for 5 years but not embedding) and some CL (which is the language I use the >>>> most), I will try to help if I can. >>>> Best, >>>> Z.Shang >>>> >>>> On Sun Feb 15 2015 at 8:56:01 PM Daniel Kochmański < >>>> jackdan...@hellsgate.pl> wrote: >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> most of you have probably noticed, that ECL is unmaintained for quite a >>>>> while. Some spontaneous attempts are made, like submitting a patch, or >>>>> answering question - what is great, but insufficient. Many important bug >>>>> fixes last on git head, a few potential improvements wait in patch >>>>> queue. The other words - ECL starts to smell funny, what's a shame, >>>>> since it's a great project. >>>>> >>>>> I'm writing to mailing list to volunteer myself as projects >>>>> maintainer. I'm sure there are people better suited for such role, but >>>>> since nobody asks for it, I do. Please reply to this message with >>>>> protests or support, if any. I'm full time embedded engineer with strong >>>>> C background, and solely speaking - CL new-be. Since I'm full time >>>>> worker, I can spare only a few hours a week, but I'm sure it would be >>>>> sufficient for start. >>>>> >>>>> Short plan of things, which have to be done (any help welcome) - in >>>>> descendent order: >>>>> >>>>> ** Roll out a new release >>>>> Many bug-fixes lie on git, and are absent on current release. It is >>>>> really important to make a new release. >>>>> >>>>> 1. Introduce new branching model >>>>> http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/ >>>>> >>>>> 2. Move development to gitorious >>>>> Split separate projects into separate repositories (libffi, gmp) >>>>> >>>>> 3. Patch submissions >>>>> I think it would be plausible to move patch submissions to >>>>> mailing list, so they can be commented. >>>>> >>>>> ** Refresh >>>>> 1. Website >>>>> I find it counter-intuitive and hard to navigate. Sitemap should >>>>> be rearranged, and maybe even moved from SF. >>>>> >>>>> 2. Materials >>>>> Wiki's subscription is ended now. It should be brought back. >>>>> Usage examples should be easier to find and study. >>>>> It would be nice to have tutorials describing, how to install and >>>>> embed ECL in project. >>>>> >>>>> 3. Patch/feature/bug queues (as started by Arto) >>>>> Decide, which patches need to be merged into ECL, reject the >>>>> rest. Same with feature requests - if something is beyond our >>>>> reach for now, should be tagged as won't do. Bug reports should be >>>>> checked for these already fixed, not-bugs and some which won't be >>>>> fixed anytime soon. >>>>> >>>>> 4. Actualizing ECL support libraries - libffi breaks on build for >>>>> armv5 (new version works like a charm). It is also at least worth >>>>> considering switching to lgpl3 (for pragmatic reasons) - this one >>>>> requires further discussion, but first things first. >>>>> >>>>> ** Evolve >>>>> 1. Third party libraries >>>>> - Use most recent libraries (asdf, quicklisp, swank, etc) >>>>> - Treat libffi as separate project /move to more recent version/ >>>>> - Treat libgc as separate project /consider lgplv3/ >>>>> >>>>> 2. Make more ports >>>>> - Android (merge patches, write nice tutorial) >>>>> - NaCL >>>>> - Minix >>>>> >>>>> 3. Regression / testing / deployment >>>>> - vagrant >>>>> - automated reports >>>>> - suggestions? >>>>> >>>>> 4. ECL java application for android >>>>> >>>>> ============================ >>>>> >>>>> I already wrote similar mail to Juan Jose Garcia-Ripoll (attached as >>>>> reference), and he suggested to write to mailing list. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Daniel Kochmański >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> my name is Daniel Kochmański, and I want to say, that I am really >>>>>> impressed by your work on Embeddable Common Lisp, and I want to thank >>>>>> you for it. I find ecl nice piece of software and consider it a great >>>>>> opportunity to learn. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm writing to you, because I want to be maintainer of it. I have strong >>>>>> C background, and I'm learning Common Lisp, so it wouldn't be very good >>>>>> pick if project is actively developed, but since it starts to smell >>>>>> funny (pun intended), I think it won't be a bad idea. I'm full time >>>>>> embedded systems engineer, so I can spare only few hours a week, but I'm >>>>>> convinced it would be sufficient for start. >>>>>> >>>>>> First thing I'd like to do is to roll out a new release, since git head >>>>>> has many improvements over current release (especially bugfix for >>>>>> bordeaux-threads), and cleanup of feature-requests and bug-reports on >>>>>> SourceForge. >>>>>> >>>>>> Then I plan to move development to gitorious, and host third party >>>>>> libraries as separate projects. Also, branching model would change - >>>>>> current commits will land on "develop", and "master" will be kept for >>>>>> releases only. I'm also considering reorganizing, or even moving ecl >>>>>> site from SourceForge, because I find it really hard to navigate. There >>>>>> is also problem with wiki, where subscription has ended, and needs >>>>>> reactivation by one of the wiki organizers (according to wikispaces). >>>>>> >>>>>> Next thing would be actualizing libffi (build breaks on armv5 on old >>>>>> sources included with ECL), and merging patches for android and nacl >>>>>> builds - I'm working on it on my local repository lately. After that to >>>>>> attract more people, I think that would be a nice idea to make android >>>>>> app, which will bring ECL to android devices. >>>>>> >>>>>> What do you think about this proposition? I was convincing myself to >>>>>> write this mail for few weeks from now, but I'm still not sure if I >>>>>> should write to mailing list first. Anyways, again, thank you for >>>>>> keeping this project alive for so many years. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Daniel Kochmański >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Daniel Kochmański | Poznań, Poland >>>>>> ;; aka jackdaniel >>>>>> >>>>>> "Be the change that you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi >>>>> -- >>>>> Daniel Kochmański | Poznań, Poland >>>>> ;; aka jackdaniel >>>>> >>>>> "Be the change that you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> ------------------ >>>>> Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, >>>>> sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is >>>>> your >>>>> hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought >>>>> leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. 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