Richard Twine wrote:
> 
> -Is anyone interested in discussing the novel
>         "Women on the edge of time " by Marge Piercy,
>  and related to this, the whole subject of eco-social utopias?
> 
> -Alternately, the topic of ecofeminism and aesthetics. Particularly
>  the apparent contradiction in relying upon appeals to "beauty" for
>  the protection of earth-others, and the pejorative use of "beauty" and
>  "ugliness" in discourses of social domination, especially but not solely,
>  racialised and misogynist discourse,   and how these discourses reinforce
>  'others' as 'body-people' in Plumwood's terminology.
> 
>  Desperate to talk,
>  Richard.

        Excellent novel for discussion!  Although I have read others 
responses to your request, I was more impressed with the communication 
and description of communication with other life, e.g. animals.  This is 
also true for me with the other book mentioned, "The Fifth Sacred 
Thing".  The description of intuition, communication, and energy gives 
me more to think about in planning for our future.  These concepts are 
supposedly shared by all (whether developed or not) and could be 
developed by many, like musical talent, etc.  
        Another author I would throw in is Mary Daly, whom I feel brings 
alot with her style of writing - theorectical & poetic.
        I remember taking a hermeneutics class where the discussion of 
beauty was so abstract that when the teacher brought in a "work of art" 
I felt that it conradicted what he was saying with its beauty.
        here's a poem I once wrote:

        ART

beauty is
in the eye
of the beholder

objectivity is
a division
of you and me

1 divided by 2
        1/2

the relationship
is divided
into itself

1/2 divided by 1/2
1/2 multiplied by 2/1
        equals 2/2

divided unto itself
what remains
is the other

2/2 equals 1
1 equals 1/1
1 and/or 2

yet art is
to be both
you and me
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Jun  4 01:28:58 1996
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 00:32:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Laura Franklund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: marge piercy

Howdy, strangers.
        Woman on the Edge of Time is one of my favorite books, as well.  
Herland is also fascinating, partly because it was written quite a few 
years ago and gender differences were expressed in other ways so they 
become clearer to me than they might have been to Charlotte Perkins 
Gilman. 
        the part in Piercy's book that really sticks in my mind is the 
part when they take the adolescent who is ready to become an adult out to 
the middle of the wilderness and drop her off for a week or two.  
Spending time in the wilderness and keeping yourself alive gives one a 
larger world view, I think. hmmm...

- laura

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