I believe that there are three partners in the ecosystems of the world:
Mother Nature
Women
Ohters( men and women who dont care about the issues related to the other
two)
It is important that we understand that the concept of vegetarianism is based
on individual, cultural and to a certain extent "religious" belief. These
values are learned not innate....
To maintain a balance of all living things on this planet there needs to
be these cultural differences and in some regions they may be more effective
than in others.
Someone may be an enviornmentalist and a vegetarian and another has all the
right intention (ecologically speaking) when she is an anvironmentalist and a
non-vegetarian. The two issues do not go together to justify our views on
these issues
On the other hand, who will teach the non human living things about being
vegetarians especially if their "animal culture" made them learned
carnivorous. To be completely environmentalist and vegetarian one has to look
at all living things and how they learn of being vegetarian environmentalist,
not just humans.
Michele Rigaud
I am not an extremist on either side of the issue. I am not a destroyer
either
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Sep 21 11:07:16 1996
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 96 12:36:41 EST
From: omar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Environment?
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 19 Sep 1996 21:57:41 +0800 from
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
In response to Kylie,
What in the world are you talking about? I reiterated a question I asked
earlier where I noted that the only dialougue I was familiar with that dealt
with the way sexism and environmental degradation meet in the practical lives
of women comes from debates concerning women and work in underdeveloped
nations. I made the assumption, which I do believe is correct, that the
majority of participants on this list are middle-class white women from
north america. By the way Kylie, north america also includes Canada and not
just the united states. I asked about the intersection of sexism and
environmental degradation in the lives of middle-class n. american white women
because that dialouge is missing in ecofeminism, leading one to conclude that
there isn't much of a connection aside from rhetoric. However, from some of
the responses I've seen I see that isn't the case. I also asked the question
because I believe that people should speak first from their own experience.
There are enough white people speaking for the rest of us all over the world.
Kylie, contrary to your statement I do care about issues outside of the
united states. Considering that I am Latino (did Kylie think that the only
black people in the united states are African-americans?) and everyone in my
family since the African holocaust ("the slave trade") is Dominican, I have to
care. Kylie, I do appreciate your concern for those of us "non-americans"
(remember those of us who are not seen as "Americans", read: white). However I
didn't appreciate your assumptions nor your attempted dismissal of me. If you
want to play kid games please hook up with Jason again and take it outside.
I don't care to play that game.
Omar Freilla
Institute of Environmental Sciences-Miami University, Ohio
Black Men for the Eradication of Sexism
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Sep 21 16:33:19 1996
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From: "Jackie Van Brocklin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Organization: UTA Libraries
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],
STUDIES IN WOMEN AND ENVIRONMENT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kylie Matthews)
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 17:33:26 CST
Subject: Re: caring and codependance
Yes, Kylie - you're right on target. Your summary was exactly what
I was referring to. The game of "I care more than *YOU* do!" is
not only "competitive," it's childish. And - if these kinds of
people become obsessed with it (which is, of course, what co-
dependence is), they are definitely NOT helping those to whom they
profess to care for!
As I stand back and watch this kind of behavior, it seems that women
(usually being their own worst enemy) make idiots of themselves
breaking their necks trying to (over)please everyone. And - of
course - no one tries to stop them! They just sit back and enjoy it!
(I think with children, it's usually called "spoiling.") To create
unnecessary dependence on yourself is not only selfish - it is
destructive to those you are "caring" for! To help someone help
THEMSELVES is the real caring.
Thanks...
Jackie
