Libby wrote: 
> 
> And the church is vocal on many things - government policies that are
> having appalling effects on the poor, including a casino led recovery (what
> recovery???), the rights of people to live without oppression, practical
> ways to work for peace from the interpersonal to global, even women's right
> to choose, recognition of indigenous people's rights - parts of the church
> certainly, but I think at least as much as is working for bigotry.



> Unfortunately they don't get as much media.


this is an interesting point.  media may distract or marginalize 
awareness.  the selection of story or text implicates editorial 
interests. in the previous discussion a relationship between business 
and eco destruction and inherited systems for the corporate descent 
(patriarchal inheritance) of wealth or power (law) continues to colonize 
the market. human social webs, manifest in symbols and stories, maintain 
ecology, or piratize, colonize, develop...  

we were recently engaged in a discussion of events om Belgium, the 
possibility of the old burghers system, men in business asociations and 
funny hats preventing justice... redefining the problem as who is 
wearing the funny hats i mentioned that it is still more likely that the 
judge of the child sex scandal there will have been personally involved 
with pornography than have borne a child.

in my belief, imperilled, silenced voices speak truth.  listening well 
to our ecosystem, to each other, begins to situate us in the web.  the 
voices i would like to hear here are unlikely to have access, nurturers, 
manual farm laborers, old people watching the climate change... species 
drift, people who have lived in one place for generations, the victims 
of chernobyl.  tucking out,  i would like to mention that here in the 
united states deeply held christian beliefs motivated leaders in the 
civil rights movement and are still visible among people of conscience 
and color working for social change. recently, i have been personally 
surprised.  my work with individuals with extreme disability has led me 
to reconsider my "politically" correct views about abortion.       
 
Stephanie, your points are elegant
thank you...
m.b.
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Oct 23 13:43:47 1996
 23 Oct 1996 12:43:43 -0700 (MST)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 10:31:13 +0700 (GMT)
From: Tara Lidtka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: women's online resources
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



hello I received your address through a colleague, I will be presenting
at a conference on the topic on women online.  I plan to address the fact
that only 10% of public messages on the Internet are posted by women.  I
would like to be able to point the attendees to great online resources
for women and entertain any thoughts on how educators can get and keep
women on line.  If you have any thoughts on this, or web addresses that
would help me to prepare it would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks again.
Tara Lidtka

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