>     Brian, human reproduction *IS* purely biological;  you have 
> male/female intercourse, resulting in sperm penetrating egg, which 
> produces zygote which has potential to develop into human being.  

"Potential" is the key word there.  Human reproduction depends not 
just on the production of the zygote, but also how the woman reacts 
to her pregnancy, whether she desires it or not, whether she has 
means to discontinue it safely, whether she has means to adequately 
nourish herself and the fetus during the pregnancy, whether her food 
and water are free of pollutants, etc.  All these and many other 
essential features of human reproduction are cultural.   

You could take ANY human activity, isolate some biological 
component of it, and on that basis call the activity biological.  For 
example, philosophizing requires functioning vocal cords (or 
functioning hands to move chalk or tap on a keyboard), but we don't 
think of philosophy as a purely biological activity.  Why not?  
Probably cause historically men philosophize while women reproduce, 
and we want to derogate women by associating them with an already 
derogated class, the animals (who are falsely thought of as 
biological and not cultural).  

Brian
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A slightly belated response to the comments below:

> I believe that legislation is the most effective way to change behavior and
> eventually attitudes.  Macro-level "restrictions" (such as halting the
> unethical treatment of animals in the meat industry) are a lot more effective
> than micro-level ones (such as me trying to stop one person from buying
> hamburger meat) and in the long run, probably change more people's attitudes. 
> And my saying this is not me buying into the patriarchal system, it's me trying
> to change it.> 

I think we need at least two levels of approach and probably more 
than two because of the multiple scales of influence in the world. 
Yes, we need legislation to support the promotion of activities that 
are truly sustainable and to curb those that aren't. But we also need 
the one-on-one process of education that can only occur in 
interpersonal interactions. Stopping one person from buying hamburger 
meat isn't going to change the world. But there is a great deal of 
momentum being gained through the spread of such alternative 
lifestyles as vegetarianism. Eating meat in itself can't be morally 
or spiritually wrong or else you and I wouldn't be around to debate 
this subject because our ancestors would probably have starved to 
death. However, the ecological destruction and the, IMHO, completely 
gratuitous suffering that many animals go through before they are 
slaughtered is wrong and that is what we need to change. It is for 
those reasons (and others) that I do not consume meat. However, I also 
don't make a scene when I am invited to dinner and the host has gone 
to a lot of trouble to prepare a nice meal that happens to include 
meat. Making lifestyle choices that are a departure from the 
mainstream can be a real juggling act. Sometimes we have to make 
choices that we aren't entirely happy with in order to preserve a 
friendship or to simply be courteous. It is those "micro" level 
relationships that we have the most control over in terms of our own 
behaviour. And at the same time, we all have a role to play in 
changing the macro institutions as well.
    Any dissenters?
    Roxanne















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