In a message dated 8/25/98 4:47:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<<  fit very well with the mainstream stereotype abut the
 feminsit movement being antimale or that feminsit are male hating women. >>

Carlos, I like you, really, but it has to be OK to want to escape masculist
culture to create something less alien without getting hammered with the old
accusation of being man-haters.  

Madrone
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Aug 25 19:52:00 1998
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:51:51 -0400
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: will bason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Tao of violence

Do ya'll remember what started the afghan war?  It wasn't an invasion by
the Soviets, that came later.  What started it was that a leftist
government there tried to institute basic human rights for women and the
muslim establishment there freaked.  The Soviets sent in the troops after
it looked like the rebels were winning. The U.S., mostly under reagan,
figured foolisly that any enemy of our enemy was our friend and backed the
rebels and an awful war just keeps on keeping on.


I have to admit that i was glad when i heard that the U.S. had bombed the
camps in afghanistan and the factory in sudan.  I was so angry about the
embasy bombings.  I argued it out with a friend who is a scots catholic who
had, until recently, been argueing with me about how violence was useful
for the IRA in northern ireland.  The last tragic bombing there convinced
him of the counter productivness of terror.  I finally had to agree that
the bombings in afghanistan and sudan are likely to be counterproductive
too.

I hope, and trust, that the violence that the taliban uses against women
and minorities backfires as well.

violence is a boomerang,
thank  godis.

will bason




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