In a message dated 98-10-18 13:24:51 EDT, you write:
<< If global starvation and a toxic ecosystem is our only alternative to a
mushrooming populace, you'd better start believing it's an option -
perhaps our ONLY option! Joe
>>
Joe - you have not answered these questions:
How would mandatory population be implemented?
How would it be re-enforced?
If it were an option there would be definite answers to these questions. Do
you agree?
Thanks!
Angela
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Oct 18 15:59:21 1998
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 17:52:56 EDT
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: family size,etc.
In a message dated 98-10-18 16:58:56 EDT, you write:
<< I think at one time many environmenalists were hindered by people
stating "oh it isnt all that bad" "the ozone layer is still viable"
"businesses release ozone as well as pollutants" excuses as to people feel
environmentalists are just doomsayers and are pessimistic. I always felt
we are realists!
Bertina
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>>
Hi! I agree with this - some people would want to believe it is not soo bad
so that they don't have to do anything about it - others want to face up to
how bad it really is and get to work fixing it! We have to keep reminding
each other how bad things are but that there is hope and we can work together
to make things better! If we try to stand alone or sweep important issues
under the rug - we will get no where! We need to stand together and bring the
issues out in the open and "hash um out!" until we find viable solutions to
complex problems!
Peace!
Angela
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Oct 18 16:03:37 1998
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 06:05:52 +0800
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: bunny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Religion, environment, & growth
The problem with religion these days is that some people (in my view)
take the bible too literally and extrapolate meanings that "Gods work" is
to cover everything in life (except what they subjectively leave out).
If some people are trying to find a religious meaning in everything then
perhaps they had better look for the religious meaning in contraception,
vaccines and antibiotics.
In my view, if you believe in a God and that God has given humans an Eden
and brains with which to reason then God has also expected us to exercise
common sense and to use our reasoning and ability to limit our population
sizes through contraception. You can also thank God for inspiring us to find
antibiotics and vaccines that have allowed for a longer life and where are
these mentioned in the bible as being acceptable - yet most Christians
embrace antibiotics and vaccines as being acceptable to promote and extend
life yet many *religions* encourage population growth "be fruitful and
multiply". Why is this so? To increase the power base of the religion?
The bible, it must be remembered, is a historical document. It was written
mostly by men and it was written long ago. There is wisdom in the bible but
there is also outdated language and a million interpretations of what the
bible means. The bible is dated. At the time the bible was written, we did
not live in an industrialised over-populated polluted world where medicine
had become so advanced as to prolong life in many instances to allow people
to live to 100
years old(in developed countries). If we choose to chase goals of promoting
longevity while we allow burgeoning population growth, there is conflict for
our resources are finite. We will have to reach a consensus on family size
limits whether through legislation or consensus (and consensus is highly
doubtful
as a solution because there are too many religious dogmas and cultural dogmas
promoting population growth - eg some families in some cultures will keep
procreating till they have a son).
Marguerite
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