In a message dated 98-10-20 01:32:07 EDT, you write:
<< I believe that humans have
the power to determine their own destiny. >>
Hi!
How then do humans have the power over the rest of nature? Isn't nature part
of our destiny?
Re: you post about abortion and unwanted pregnancies - you are very good at
blaming God for everything bad in the world - as if the people themselves did
not fall under some darkness in their own souls- Does God get any credit for
all the good in the world - the good that sustains us in nature and what about
light of goodness that shines through in good souls?
The world is not perfect and of course we should not say - well it is not our
problem - we are a part of this world - and yes, it is our problem - you are
right about that -
Marguerite - my faith is not BLIND it is grounded!
peace and thanks!
Angela
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Oct 20 14:29:55 1998
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:29:06 EDT
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Belief
In a message dated 98-10-20 08:20:33 EDT, you write:
<< Angela insists on spewing forth
her dogma. >>
Hi!
What is dogmatic about faith? Dogma is strict adherence to doctrine - faith
requires contemplation - do you understand that?
Peace!
Angela
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Oct 20 15:30:09 1998
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 05:31:40 +0800
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: bunny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: beliefs
++So who has been name calling, I certainly haven't, and as for "picking on
anyone", I certainly haven't "picked on" anyone (and anyway this isn't a
school playground and as far as I know there are no children (age wise) on
this list).
Angela put forth her belief in a divine plan and accepting God into one's
life as a possible answer to all problems and this conflicts with my belief
of self determination (including the right of all people to birth control
etc and the need for limited family size).
Marguerite
Alright lets stop picking on the theists on the list! It is only fair that
we question her belief but that is because Angela insists on spewing forth
her dogma. There is no need for name calling though. I dont go around
trying to spread my atheism as an alternative--but since I mentioned
it...*evil grin*
Bertina
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On Tue, 20 Oct 1998, bunny wrote:
> Marguerite wrote: << Don't expect others to disprove YOUR *belief* of the
> existence of a God and YOUR *belief* of the existence of a divine plan.
>
> Marguerite
>
> Angela replied:
> >>No, I will do no such thing! There is no proof - just faith! If you want
> to believe - try this:
>
> >>I can tell you that answered prayers are a constant part of my life
because I
> believe! It is not just coincidence! I want to share that with you and this:
>
> >>"Believing is seeing!" Why don't you lose the doubt, stop asking for
proof and
> let God enter your heart and your life! What do you have to lose? You may
> have everthing to gain! Peace, joy, contentment, love, happiness . . . - it's
> a virtual banquet and everyone was invited to the feast - some people just
> RSVP'd sorry can't attend - then don't blame God!
>
> ++Angela, I have nothing against your belief in blind faith (in God), but I
> believe that many people use this type of "borne again" Christianity as a
crutch
> or opiate to sustain them through life. The problem with Christianity is the
> dogmas involved (including that of opposing contraception and then strangely
> enough opposing abortion - so young girls and women are supposed to suffer
> constant pregnancies and then suffer the shame and expense of an unwanted
> pregnancy and/or then slip into poverty as sole parents (if very young) or
> be forced to give their babies up for adoption.)
> Show me the peace, love joy and happiness in all this Angela...explain to
me why
> desperate women have died horrible deaths from septacemia through trying to
> self-abort an unwanted pregnancy when abortions were illegal. Show me the
> peace love and joy in the poor children of Asia abandoned by their mothers
> who can't afford to keep them and have sold their children into
> prostitution. One country (religious?)in Asia won't allow contraception or
> contraceptive advice to be advertised in the media.
>
> >>The questions was posed: How do we know there is a plan that we are not
aware
> of - beyond our human understanding? I believe that we could never prove that
> there was or that there wasn't. But if we were in total control -, we would
> know what the plan was- Wouldn't we? Doesn't that show that something or
> someone else is in control here? I think it does!
>
> ++You may very well be wrong about a plan Angela. I believe that humans have
> the power to determine their own destiny. We are making such a collective
> mess of the world however that some people are finding it easier to explain
> away all that happens as "the will of God" instead of pro-actively trying to
> make things better. This is a cop-out.
>
> Marguerite
>
> peace!
> Angela
>
> Read this great quote today: "Compassion is love in action!"
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