In a message dated 98-10-27 05:04:13 EST, you write:
<< No I believe all corporate standards are based upon a moral Christian
standard. To me it all becomes meaningless when such things are
arbitrarily disregarded by those who impose such standards.
Bertina
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
Hi!
It appears that you are clumping two different kinds of people together:
The people who claim they are Christian and believe but do not LIVE the life.
They use the beliefs as a way to progress "themselves" in life.
The people who are Christian and believe and do live the Christian life.
People who take the sacraments seriously, offer themselves as servants, follow
a strict code of moral behavior, etc.
Which group of people do you think unhonest, uncompassionate, greedy, self-
centered, power seeking so-called Christian CEOS fall under?
Please understand that not all Christians arbitrary dismiss the virtues as
something expected of someone else and not themselves - that is like saying
that all pagans are athesists - now that itsn't true right?
Thanks!
Angela
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Oct 27 04:31:37 1998
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 06:31:07 EST
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: no one "lets" sexism, racism, poverty get in their way
In a message dated 98-10-27 05:12:25 EST, you write:
<< They didn't start it and they certainly
don't like that it continues and they have the power to unite and make
political change, but as individuals, they have little power.
Candi >>
Hi!
Right Candi! However, regarding them having little power - that is what self-
actualization can do - empower people to believe in themselves as worthy of
respect, equal rights, freedom, etc. then you can't hold them down. Empower
all people with self-esteem and education. That is how they get the power of
love- believing in LOVE - love of self and the belief that that love should
spread to others. That is GOD to me!
Have you ever heard the expression: "You can't keep a good man down!" Should
read "You can't keep a good person down!"
With love of themselves COMBINED with our love- they can rise above their
situation - but they have been made to feel by society that they LET things
happen to them - if we tell them as a society of concerned citizens - that
they have just as much right and freedom to break free of their situation and
assist them in doing so - that is the answer. Empower them with themselves!
We can change their circumstances but they also have to FREE themselves
because - first you become your own prisoner and then others jail you -
For example: A woman is in a bad abusive marriage - Someone tries to get her
to divorce her husband "why do you stay with him?" She replies "I love him."
OK, do you think this woman loves herself? Would she allow this man to abuse
her if she loved herself - then how could she really love him if she didn't
love herself -
Free her from her own misunderstanding of the word love - teach her to love
herself and free her from the man who abuses her! Do not let her accept that
she could love him without loving herself because LOVE does not work that
way! She would not know the meaning of love, if she didn't understand that a
man who loved her would not abuse her and jail her in a bad marriage!
There are two truly basic human needs: FREEDOM and LOVE!
How we have defined these two words as a UN-united world has made the world of
difference! If we can believe that all life is worthy of freedom and love -
imagine that!
Peace!
Angela
Peace!
Angela
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Oct 27 04:34:48 1998
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 06:34:34 EST
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Family size and religion
Hi!
Candi - thanks for the explanation. I already had this discussion with
Arlene. I did re-read what I wrote that appeared bigotted and I agree - I
need to choose my words better. I should not assume that the reader will
understand what I wrote there. Eventhough I did try to clear up the
misunderstanding - you are right the words were still said - and I was wrong!
Thanks for letting me know and this will help me express myself better in
writing.
Peace!
Angela
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Oct 27 04:45:57 1998
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 06:45:12 EST
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Family size and religion and ANARCHISM!
In a message dated 98-10-27 05:32:17 EST, you write:
<< Overpopulation is caused by uncontrolled reproduction on a planet
with limited space and resources - pure and simple! The religious
dogmas which urge people to continue this practice are a spear in
the side of Gaia; they are the causes of the wounds, and their
mindset-in-stone is what needs to be healed before the wounds they
cause progress to fatality. Joe
>>
Hi!
So, Joe you are saying the the religious dogma that urges people to populate -
should urge them to? Not have children because it would be better for the
Earth or have less children - now these people who are being told this by the
RELIGIOUS DOGMA LEADERS live where? On a different planet - they are somehow
unaware of the Eco-Crisis? Maybe we should make larger strides at letting
them know about the Eco-Crisis? - in this way they would not have to be told
or given permission by religious leaders to make moral decisions regarding
population and doing what IS the best for God's Earth and people!
What I said was - overpopulation is a problem - the answer is not mandatory
population control - the answer is educating the masses about the Eco-crisis
and how over-population affects it. Empower them to make THEIR OWN, educated,
moral, enlightened decision regarding their own bodies and futures to do what
is best for the Earth!
Peace!
Angela
"Some people say that religious beliefs will never heal the Earth, I say that
it is the only thing that will! Author unknown
"Why do you want to help the Earth? Answer "Because it is my religion!"
Author unknown
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Oct 27 06:25:52 1998
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:25:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Bertina Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: STUDIES IN WOMEN AND ENVIRONMENT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: no one "lets" sexism, racism, poverty get in their way
In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I was answering Angelas desire to show that through belief in God
everything disappears, like sexism, racism and poverty. You could say that
as a child I lived in a working family household that was below the
poverty level. I as a child had no recourse to change that situation. My
parents may have tried to do better than they did-my father was in the
military and he retired but he never tried to get another job. He had
three children still living with him and he didnt get another job after he
retired from the military. My mother was too sickly at the time to work,
so my father was certainly "letting" poverty happen to his family.
Bertina
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, Candi Chruchill wrote:
> Bertina,
> How does someone "let" sexism, racism and poverty happen to them? Yeah we
> let rape happen and we let it get in our way to normal, open expression of
> our sexuality. Women let men judge them by their looks and we let this get
> to us after years of grooming and trying to figure out how to juggle the
> double-standards. Sure blacks let whites make more money, live in "better"
> neighborhoods and treat them like shit and poor people let the fact that
> they can't pay their bills with the lousy wage they earn and then it is
> their felt they "let" all this get to them. This takes blaming the victim
> to a whole new level, whether you think you are blaming them or not. Ever
> read Moynihan? You sound just like him. Whether the victims are a young
> (children) oppressed class of people or older (adults or elderly), no one
> lets oppression hold them down. They didn't start it and they certainly
> don't like that it continues and they have the power to unite and make
> political change, but as individuals, they have little power.
> Candi
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 1998 8:37 AM
> To: STUDIES IN WOMEN AND ENVIRONMENT
> Subject: Re: Looking for Gaia spiritual and/or religious movements
>
> Poverty, sexism and racism doesnt get in anyones way unless they let it
> happen Angela. But I dont blame the victims of such things-generally the
> victims are children.
>
> Is it the guys fault in Wyoming that he was killed by a bunch of punks?
> No. Did something get in his way? Yes-bigotry!
>
> Bertina
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> On Thu, 22 Oct 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 98-10-22 11:58:17 EDT, you write:
> >
> > << I believe all people should be free and able
> > to control her/his own destiny without poverty, sexism, and racism
> getting
> > in her/his way. But me believing this and trying to convince others to
> > believe this is not enough.
> > >>
> > Hi Candi,
> >
> > You make some good points.
> >
> > However,
> > If a person is in control of his/her own destiny then if things like
> poverty,
> > sexism and racism get in his/her way - it is their own fault - right?
> They
> > were afterall in control?
> > Of course they are not to blame!
> >
> > Sometimes things BEYOND our own control - cause poverty, sexism and
> racism -
> > now how can we help that person deal with that position they are in - if
> they
> > poor, we can help provide for them, feed them, provide clothing, provide
> jobs
> > and we can make laws that protect peoples rights and freedom and work to
> have
> > them enforced. We can believe (like you) in the right to riches,
> freedoms and
> > the protection of individual rights (I like that!) and help pass laws
> and
> > provide through grass roots efforts. Now what we believe does help!
> You/we
> > tell others to do the same thing and you start a chain reaction! Now
> your
> > self-respect is spreading to others! The power of love has submerged!
> The
> > big corporations can't stop us from spreading love - setting up soup
> kitchens,
> > supporting campaigns in defense of woman's rights, boycotting companies
> that
> > sell non-green products etc. When we love ourselves we are free to love
> > others! The only liberation we need is self-actualization! Bullish on
> people
> > who tell you that "you stand alone" or that "what you believe does not
> count"
> > or that "greed is more powerful then love" they are wrong!
> >
> > We need to feel sure about ourselves, believe in LOVE and know that
> others
> > care and believe that we can make a difference!
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Angela
> >
> > "Kindness is contagious!"
> >
> >
> >
>
>
