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Subject:                Re: no one "lets" sexism, racism, poverty get in their way

> Unfortunately, I joined the list in the middle of this thread.  So excuse me
> if I missed some key points.  My first reaction was to the poor huddled masses
> rising above their state.  Ever been born into a world where hope is for other
> people?  Where you are told on a daily basis that you are "less than"?  Where
> your ancestors don't exist except as victims?  You try surviving in that
> environment, much less flourishing!  Yes, in life there are choices.  But I
> think we need to recognize that the choices given are NOT equal!  My second
> reaction was to the over-population thread.  Whenever I hear people talk of
> population control it always makes me wonder - which populations?!  I
> especially wonder this when the words "them" and "they" are used.  Is the fear
> the earth will be over populated or that it will primarily be populated with
> people of color?  Now, of course I expect people to react negatively to what I
> just said.  Some will say I'm making a race issue out of something that's
> about the environment.  Well, as one of the "them" I am experienced enough to
> know that all should not be taken at face value...   Alesia

Alesia, I am in favor of a mandatory limit on offspring for everyone, 
regardless of race, religion, ethnic group, wealth or 
national/geographic origin.                            Joe
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Angela, population control CAN be implemented; you just DON'T 
WANT it to be.         Joe
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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 10:24:15 -0800

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>Hi!  Joe, I disagree - I never "implied" that they were bad choices - I
always
>said you have a choice - your God given free-will - to choose between good
and
>evil  - it works that way -
>
>My advice "Choose to believe in God and you will see!"  because "Believing
is
>seeing!"
>

So, to be sure I understand what you are saying-

A person can choose between good and evil.

Your position is the choose to believe in "God" = good.

You are not inplying there are bad choices.

There appears to be a contradiction here.

Robin


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