At Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:51:24 EST, you wrote:
>
>In a message dated 2/25/1999 6:45:47 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
><< Why does anyone have to prove who they are to you? >>
>
>Nikia,
>
>You know why. I know why. I also know that it is very easy to reveal such
>mentalities. I have at no point had any stress in my heart, not even a strong
>sense of anger when I wrote to mr. dees or anyone on this list. On the
>contrary, I have been going through over and over again this CD of a cape
>verdean singer until I had learned to use my brasilian portuguese as a means
>knowing her cape verdean portuguese. I did the same with my Arabic of Sudan,
>Yemen, and match it with the lovely songs on a cd by a maurtanian woman who
>sings pure Africa in her mauritania arabic. Full of anger? I was actually more
>full of peace - it pulled me to memories of some travels I have taken, people
>I have met.
>
>Nikia, I posted something on the protocols of zion, was attacked by mr. dees
>and I choose to respond rather than cower in the corner. Sometimes when you
>encounter people like that, you need to speak, even harshly, because a
>lifetime of being in too many places at too many times and quietly listening
>to or reading tones like mr. dees can be as detrimental as smoking - because
>it is still pollution of your environment.
>
>Sometime you just have to say NO and say it strongly - not to change them, but
>not to have memories of stuff you read people like him write or stuff you
>heard them say, not to feel that they spewed out their mentality in your
>presence and you never spoke. See, they are used to us not speaking, us not
>even being there to hear them say such things, or even to come close to saying
>NO.
>
>A man like Joe Dees and I would never really encounter each other, because I
>doubt that he would be so bold and so in existence in this realm of reality -
>it would be too hard for him to maintain his attitudes, much less be able to
>spew them out.
>
>He would be too afraid to encounter men who would not allow him to be that way
>towards us, towards black women. And he would encounter black women,
>especially the elders, who before I even spoke, would put him back out into
>his place, and black women who would gather into a group and destroy.
>
>On this list, he simply finds women who agree with him or are just tolerant of
>him, and equally disturbed that I spoke on such issues. Mr. Dees would not
>survive on lists of people who would find both amusement and insult in his
>arrogance and dating black woman, funded a black student union credentials.
>He knows exactly what lists he can survive on, flourish on, and what lists he
>would not.
>
>It is only an email list and I take it as such. Joe Dees is some man some
>where some name on an email list who is nothing to me and mine and yours. I am
>not even elevating my words to him, his words to me, onto the level of
>"battle". It is not at all important, not to my life not even to 'the
>struggle" - not to our struggle, not to other struggles.
>
>If I felt the need to prove to him who I am what I do, then I would disrespect
>both ancestors and living souls, and certainly not be the woman I am.
>
>Nikia, sometimes we take time to verbally slap to remind us that we will at
>times need to do that or else our struggle is lost, no matter what other
>'struggles' we move into, we see that we encounter the same enemy - just in
>other forms, some carrying the confederate flag, some shouting heil hitler,
>some marching for women's rights, some shouting save the trees, and some on
>eco-feminst email lists. They are so much the enemy that they don't even know
>they are the enemy and those that don't agree with it, still support them and
>tolerate them in ways that we, our cannot do.
>
>As noted, I focus my life on such things as positive and building and
>nurturing as any can be, such as the circle of sisters I noted - black women
>from peru, brasil, kuwait, papua new guina, new zealand, morocco, sudan,
>colombia, ecuador, puerto rico, cuba - from wherever we are to discuss our
>issues our struggles, as part of united nations meeting I have been a part of
>for years. We laugh we talk we hurt we learn we share we express all we play
>we disagree we love and we long ago blocked joe dees type people, colorless
>feminists from trying to take over - such is the power of our collected
>strength, enough to keep out the mental colonizers no matter what "issue" they
>claim. We name our own issues, name our own solutions and draw upon each other
>for our light. This is how I was raised, how I live, people like Joe Dees
>aren't even able to get a place in that kind of life.
>
>My ancestors passed onto me lessons of them, but I have been raised surrounded
>by such strength, and was never taught fear of such weak ones as dees who
>tries to control through an email list. So yes, when I encounter them online,
>they are a curiousity to me in that I have heard of them, but wasn't raised to
>be afraid or intimidated by them.
>
>I think dees was raised where black people clung unto his liberal man image as
>the only other choice they saw was the neo nazi. Either way they want to rule;
>I choose neither dominance.
>
>The neo-nazis are not the most dangerous to us - it is the joe dees type who
>attempt to be so hidden and insidious, who are sometimes so firmly within
>their mental paradigm that they can't even see, they can't even imagine that
>they are oppressive or arrogant. They can't see why they should not have the
>control and dominance they seek.
>
>In South Africa, a major issue among the Africans is how the so-called
>"liberal" whites have begun to complain that blacks want too much, too fast,
>and just too much overall, they think blacks should just be happy apartheid is
>over, but remain content to be marginalized economically and politically in
>their own land, while those liberal whites just replace the apartheid whites,
>all the while maintaining their places of elitism and privilege. Why do you
>need to have your own businesses when we let you work for us? Why can't you be
>happy being our maids and cooks and butlers and musical entertainment and
>nannies and such? Why do you want to hold your own political offices, why
>can't you just elect us to be your leaders and we will take good care of you?
>You know that you don't know how to handle all this complicated political
>stuff and you don't have any experience. Why don't you appreciate how hard we
>fought for you, why do you disagree with me on this issues, who are you to
>disagree with me?
>
>In Australia women like Pauline Hanson appeal to even many of the "liberals"
>who are just tired of those aborigines actually wanting to not just be cute
>tourist attraction or to be native backdrop for the likes of Crocodile Dun Dee
>(any relation?), just like we over here didn't like the poor natives ruled by
>Tarzan dee (any relation?) and just like I dislike the same tone of Joe Dum
>Dees.
>
> "THE MOST POTENT WEAPON IN THE HAND OF THE OPPRESSOR IS THE MINDS OF THE
>OPPRESSED." - Steve Biko
>
>Nicole
Yet another hatchet job, full of sound, fury and literary lyricism, but without a
whiff of substance.
Joe E. Dees
Poet, Pagan, Philosopher
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