I didn't know that my message would sound patronizing. I'm glad to hear
people's reason why they feel the way they do.
> _even if_ a man in the workplace is unaware of how he
>discriminates against the women he works with, isn't he still
>accountable for his lack of knowedge? Ignorance is hardly an
>acceptable excuse.
>
>
>Jessica Gowen
>gowenj@alleg,edu
>Allegheny College
>Meadville, PA
>
I'm not sure I agree with this entirely. We need to be more explicit
about we're talking about here. Communication is a two way street.
>Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 16:17:23 -0500 (CDT)
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>To: LEE
>
>Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 14:34:33 -0600
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>From: "Mary C. Simmons, Hydrologic Assistant, Albuquerque, NM
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>Subject: "Wood's" message
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>I, too found "Wood's" message patronizing and a major denial of what women
>endure on a daily basis. My personal experience is that it IS intentional.
>After decades of public discourse on this subject, NO ONE can seriously be
>believed who claims that discrimination against women in colleges and the
>workplace is anything but deliberate.
>
>Pull your head out, wood.
>_________________________________________________________________________
>Mary Simmons
>U.S. Geological Survey, Water Resources Division
>Albuquerque, New Mexico
>(505)262-5330
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Well, I can full well believe that some people would intentionally
use almost any means in a power struggle. It doesn't matter whether
you're a man or a woman. May be the issue of discrimination against
women is entirely a power issue, but it seems it may not be. Just
that it gets tougher when coupled with questions of power.
This brings in the questions raised by Barbara Bliss, to which I have
no good answers. Is coercion going to work? I'm doubtful it would
by itself.
>Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 15:20:26 -0500 (CDT)
>From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: Forwarded message
>To: LEE
>
>On Wed, 19 Apr 1995, Wood Lee wrote:
>
>> For women who just want to work hard and get their `deserved' reward, I
>> think it won't be that easy. You're going to have to help your colleagues
>> along the way to make them realize that it's a different world now and that
>> we all need to learn about each other's communication styles.
>
>Query: If male colleagues have "made it" and female colleagues are not
>competing in the same style - thus are not competing as successfully at
>the game defined by men -
>
>Why *should* men try to learn about other communication styles? What
>will "make them realize we all need to learn about each other's
>communication styles" when they've clearly done fine without doing so?
>
>What, short of coercion (as affirmative action programs might be
>construed to be), would entice male colleagues to adapt to women in the
>workplace? (Or gays in the army or people of color in the White House or
>whatever?)
>
>Barbara Bliss
>
