> For Jake: Is he suggesting a kind of universal
> bisexuality? I can dimly recall finding other guys
> attractive, maybe till I was 14 or 15..was it the
> culture, or nature, or both, which caused this
> atraction to diminish and disappear?
Well, simply stated, yes. I have a friend who calls herself "omnisexual."
When you look at the Kinsey study done in the fifties on sexuality, there
is a bell curve, with ten percent of the people being "homo" and ten
percent being "hetero." There is an 80 percent range where people are
somewhere in between, with the highest numbers right in the middle. Of
course that's a dated theory that a lot of sexologists are sure to take
issue with, but from my experience in life, it seems to work.
I think it is definitely the result of a patriarchal culture that your
natural attraction for members of your own sex went the wayside. We, men,
in this American culture, have been so acculturated to HATE homosexuals...
your urges were squashed right about the time of high school gym class (if
you went to gym class... I assume you got "back to nature" after growing
up more in culture?). High school in general. It's not a very welcoming
place for queerness, especially in the past.
It is my ascertion (and this may seem a naive one to some) that men and
women experience sexuality way differently. I've learned this just from
studying culture... lotsa talk shows, and paying attention to what goes on
around me. If more guys just got together and experienced their own kind
of sex ... men's sex, men's sexuality, men's drive, men's force, men's
goal, men's destination, men's satisfaction, men's revelation they would
be able to be a lot less fixated on women's sex, and maybe be able to
relate to woman better, especially if man learns about his own receptivity
his own stereotypical "femininity" (although to call it that is really to
reify the patriarchal dualistic construct which is not real nor accurate).
> Yes, men who are willing to use violence, I
> suppose, can have whatever they want, until they get
> caught,
yeah, but when they get caught, they get caught in essence, by other
men... the criminal justice system... patriarchy... what are their
sentences like? how much of their sentences do they actually fulfil? Do
they continue to rape in prison?
> Men unwilling to use violence or its substitutes, like me,
> are left out of the game, a game based on competition,
> jealousy, and conflict.
yikes...
> Though I can work up some small compassion for
> the gang-rapists
yikes, yikes!
> Besides, they were after a female body and not a relationship;
but how many relationships are based on just that... especially
historically... Marriage, to me, seems an attempt at owning someone else's
sexuality... isn't that a major part of what "the game" has been all about
and continues to be?
> perhaps, as I think Jake was saying, they did it more
> to show off to each other than for any pleasure in the
> deed itself..
Yeah, show off. Sounds like gym class again, doesn't it?
If they just did each other, they could do it without anybody getting
hurt.
> Yes, maybe I needed and deserved a good slap in
> the face. Wake up!
please do
I might be lonesome due to this
> messed-up culture,
huh, well don't think you're the only one man
but other people are getting killed
> because of it!
you're saying men rape, torture and kill because they are lonely? COME
ON!
> (and men for that matter)anywhere near my age (37) are
> doing:they're busy making money and raising kids: the
> very two things which I'm convinced on a profound
> level have got to stop in order to save the planet!
hoorah
> I have lots of friends, and many people love and admire me.
I thought you were lonely.
> Jake again: I do not blame my frustration on
> women. Indeed, part of what I might be after some
> help on is the suspicion that what I really need to
> blame for it si the patriarchal culture; and my gut
> feeling is that the problems are connected.
well, i certainly agree with you there. the status of men's sexuality in
this culture? HaH! Most men are completely rote, completely infantile,
completely terrified. I'm not excluding myself here. Sexuality has been
so bastardized for so many millenia in this culture. The bad wrap seems
to have started on a broad scale in the u.s. in the sixties. and the
seventies. and it continues today. most of it, i believe came from
ignorant wanderers who realized that people who had a lot of sex were
susceptible to disease. For some reason, they blamed the disease on God,
saying that He was punishing the "sinners" They realized that in order to
avoid disease and carry out "be fruitful and multiply" monogamy was the
key, thus possession of the female's sex by the male. Now, we understand
things like viruses and other microorganisms. We know disease happens
because of the existence of these organisms and not because we are "EVIL"
for having and experiencing sex. And we humans are even smart enough to
have devised means to which the possibility of the spread of disease is
drastically minimized, through technology (not to mention technique,
*grin*)
> An aside: I loved the reference to 'faggot' and
> it's new info to me. As I live in the bush, I'm
> constantly gathering up "faggots" (bundles) of
> firewood to cook over, warm myself by, heat water
> with, and so on; blithely calling them that, thinking
> it was a coincidental homonym..
most people don't realize it, although the reference is clear. oppressors
are still going out using it against us to... harkening back to an even
more demented time....
jp
