Hope I am not jumping in inappropriately (private thread). Just wanted to add my two bits... Am extremely interested in China (did some studies on Chinese culture, etc.- now I just need to go to China to learn it all the 'real' way *wink*)
Indeed, it is my understanding that the state is very much seen as a parental (and more specifically) father figure... sort of as a benevolent leader, teacher, etc.
So, Wong, am I correct in stating that you dislike communism? Is that communism in theory or practice? Also, have you ever lived in a communist state (i.e. have you ever lived in China, are you living there now, etc.) Would LOVE to talk to you about all of this... It has been my experience that individuals living in a communist state (recognizing that no nation has ever experienced TRUE communism, as Marx etc. outlined) are very opposed to communism...
I dislike outlining my personal ideologies (find them limiting) but to give you an idea on where I am coming from- I associate mainly with anarchists... Very much like anarchist ideology... But not yet ready to identify as an anarcha-feminist, though I will see me perhaps doing so in a few years (who knows!) I am always interested in discussing alternative social forms, structures, etc., at both micro and macro levels. For instance, the organization that I work in is completely collectivized/shared management model- non-hierarchical. Am interested in talking to others who are in similar situations (many women's groups are non-hierarchical. Yippee!)
I identify somewhat with Marxist-Feminism (remembering that this is different than Marxism, which pretty much leaves women out of the picture) and I do so because I am interested in class analysis (associate with some class war anarchists! YIKES! Dont follow their philosophy per say, but I would like to see an end to classist structures).
I employ a multi-issue (for lack of a better word) approach- looking not only at patriarchal oppression, but oppressions also based on class, 'race', ageism, ableism, sexual orientation, etc.
So that's it! Guess I will go read some more posts!
Wong Ee Ling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I understand you although not perfectly but you need to see it from my point
of
view which is within the Asian social mileau whereby the authoritative
figure
is the 'father figure' and that runs through the society with of course the
head of
the family, the father having a tight control over the kids - what better
way of
control or monopolization than this? The family is the unit that makes up
all society.
It is 'real' for us here perhaps not for you. Anyway, this probably does not
interest
you since your culture is different......in China, do you know that the
government is
called the 'parents'.
I wish you had a name since 'unleesh' is not a name and you know my name.
And with your experience with various political groups, I'll like to know
what is your
opinion of communism? Is it the path to freedom vis-a-vis capitalism? Does
c! ! ommunism
empowers the individual and frees him/her from the mock 'slavery' of
capitalism?
Because I feel that communism is worse off than capitalism or corporatism
since
it is state control. In corporations, if they get too powerful like MS, the
law can handle
them. The state is sometimes so intertwined with the legislate that the
individual will
have no recourse.
>From your past messages, you seem to adhere to 'anarchism', which I use to
like
(it's quite close to the Chinese' Taoism vis-a-vis Confucianism) although it
is not
a properly developed theory of government, that is, it can assist in efforts
to change
systems (so can communism) but might settle to be something that cannot
guarantee
freedom. What do you think? I like to her your opinion but pls note that
(if you do not know
it which I think you do....) most emails are read by other than you and me.
Regards,
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> "The 'father figure' is symbolic of the 'oppresive' figure you're claiming
> freedom from..."
>
> I'm not claiming freedom from any "oppressive figure", so a "father
> figure"
> couldn't even be symbolic.
>
> The State is not a "father figure" nor an "oppressive figure". It's a set
> of
> relations formalized into a monopoly of legitimized force.
>
> Those who are attacking forces which constrict life are not engaged in
> some
> Oedipal struggle. It is real.
>
> (un)leash
>
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