The problem lies not only with the scientific community but also with lab 
directors, university administors and the like. With the internet it is easy 
to publish, and with tools like Google Scholar we can reach a much wider 
audience than we can with normal publications, but we are in this bind of 
peer review and prestigious journals. Other fields, like physics, place less 
emphasis on looking good and more on getting results out. For example, hot 
new results in high energy physics can be published in some of the leading 
journals without peer review if requested. Astronomers have ways of getting 
the word out in a matter of hours if they see a comet or supernova. But if 
we publish on the internet we don't get the necessary brownie points.

I once got a phone call from the editor in chief of a journal who said that 
he had seen a draft of a paper that I had sent to a colleague, that he had 
discussed it with his editorial board, and if I hadn't submitted it 
elsewhere they would like to publish it. I was of course delighted, but when 
I told my lab director the good news he frowned and said, "That would not be 
a peer-reviewed primary publication then." That's the attitude we have to 
fight against.

Some worthy papers are left out of conference proceedings because there is a 
fixed publication budget and too many good papers (too many good papers!). 
When I have suggested putting the overflow on the web the response is 
generally negative. As one editor said, "Papers that appear on the web are 
crap."

Well, I've put most of my papers on the web at www.bill.silvert.org if 
anyone wants to see the kind of crap I write! But I have to be careful about 
copyright, so what I post is always a draft unless I have the right to post 
the final version. Because in answer to Jasja's question, I think that once 
we have transferred copyright we really have no rights at all to our own 
work. Some journals give us the right to post or distribute digital 
reprints, but that is their decision.

Once you have sold or given away copyright to your work, it is someone 
else's intellectual property. They may pay you $20 for the rights and then 
make millions (as has happened with some songs) but you have no recourse. 
They may destroy or otherwise suppress the work and you have no right to 
distribute it against the will of the copyright holder. It really is an 
awful system - although it gets touted as a way to protect the creators of 
intellectual property, it offers far more protection to publishers and other 
business interests.

Can we revolt? It would be pretty hard to fight something so well 
entrenched, and science is a bit player compared to books, songs and movies. 
That is why in an early posting I suggested subversion instead. For example, 
I cannot post copies of all my copyrighted PDFs to my website, but I 
distribute them to anyone who asks. Many people with access to ScienceDirect 
and other download services are happy to help less privileged colleagues 
access the literature. That's a start.

Bill Silvert

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dekker, Jasja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 9:15 AM
Subject: Online journals and publications: time to revolt? Copyright law


> Dear all,
>
> So why do we keep submitting papers to this group of journals? Are page
> charges so far spread that fitting, but free-of-charge journals are so
> rare? I think the scientific community, being both primary producer and
> consumer of the journals, has more power than it thinks!
>
> I hope you all will forgive me for starting again on copyright law, BUT:
> does transfering copyright to the journal mean we can not offer our own
> papers on personal websites?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Jasja Dekker 

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