William,

I agree with you!  I thought Steve was fantastic!  I know that when I 
was a kid I liked Jim in Wild Kingdom and so on, and he was only less 
funny, but just as daring.  I think we need more people like Steve 
around to get kids psyched about nature - better than tatoos and body 
piercing.

I live in southern Brazil now, and have worked in Venezuela, Costa Rica 
and Panama (and a little in Peru).  I know that when I have captured 
animals to show to my students, they learned a heck of a lot more than 
just watching them at a distance.  And, the animals very rarely suffered 
for it.  I think Steve always emphasized that what he was doing was for 
the animals.

Cheers,

Jim

William R. Porter said the following on 26/9/2006 12:27:
> Quite frankly, I found the Jonkel essay quoted below to be an 
> over-the-top, egotistical rant. Please, everyone, lighten up. 
> Treadwell may have been a nutcase, but Steve Irwin was a children's 
> entertainer, and performed a very valuable function. The ignorance 
> about and level of fear of normal wildlife in our mostly urban 
> environs is incredible. People whacking opossums over the head with 
> shovels thinking that they're giant rats, mothers shrieking and 
> calling the cops (and newspapers) at the glimpse of coyotes (notorious 
> devourers of children), snake phobia, ad nauseum ad infinitum. Steve 
> Irwin's 'antics' showed kids (and many ignorant adults) that wildlife 
> was not to be feared and mindlessly obliterated on sight. This message 
> is best presented to certain audiences, perhaps the ones that need it 
> most, just as Irwin presented it. We can all sit in our ivory towers 
> and hold up the best wildlife documentaries as the models, and 
> proclaim all other pedagogical techniques as tacky, but that ignores 
> most of the potential audience. Though not a fan of Irwin, I never saw 
> any animal abuse or killings, but rather respect and awe, just the 
> things you want to inculcate in children. Sure, he was a showman, and 
> the success he had is perhaps the source of some jealousy on the part 
> of less successful educators.
>
> William R. Porter
>
>> Date:    Mon, 25 Sep 2006 22:55:49 +0000
>> From:    stan moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: critical essay on the antics of Irwin and Treadwell
>>
>> Folks -- the following essay was published on 
>> http://www.counterpunch.org
>>
>> I tend to agree with Dr. Jonkel about Steve Irwin and the late 
>> Timothy Treadwell.  Both of these men were entertainers who used 
>> wildlife as their props to attract an audience and whose antics I 
>> believe were never in the best interest of the wyldlife they so 
>> claimed to love.  This does not mean that science and education 
>> cannot be co-mingled, but there are lines of ethics that should not 
>> be crossed and I believe that jumping on crocodiles for entertaining 
>> television footage or invading the comfort zones of large bears for 
>> the same reason cross those lines.  Paradoxically, these sort of 
>> human behaviors tend to get corrected by the targets of the behaviors 
>> when those wildlife have had enough.
>>
>> Stan Moore      San Geronimo, CA      [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>> here is the essay I spoke of:
>>
>>
>> September 25, 2006
>>
>> "People of the Croc Hunter Ilk are Worse Than the Most Bloodthirsty 
>> Slob Hunter"
>> Save a Grizzly, Visit a Library
>> By Dr. CHARLES JONKEL
>>
>> The mass media, wildlife film industry, wildlife filmmakers, 
>> Hollywood celebrities and wildlife agencies need a good dressing 
>> down. The proliferation of "el cheapo," entertainment-oriented 
>> wildlife films causes drastic impacts on wildlife species worldwide. 
>> As humans become ever more oriented to human creations, totally urban 
>> lifestyles, glitz and glitter, personalities, high-speed everything, 
>> oddball "moments," self-centered blogs, instant wealth at anything's 
>> expense, frivolous religion and politics, and endless/meaningless 
>> drivel and marketing, wild animals suffer.
>>
>> So the Croc Hunter was done in by a stingray and Timothy Treadwell by 
>> a brown bear. In both cases they earned their own demise, fooling 
>> with nature, doing goofy things with large and formidable animals 
>> better left alone.
>>
>> Steve Irwin's stupid behaviors with animals ­ teasing them, getting 
>> too close, goading them into attacks ­ not only teaches bad value and 
>> interactions relative to wildlife, but will be copied by thousands of 
>> other airheads for decades to come and has set ever lower standards 
>> for the media-an industry which constantly exploits wildlife with 
>> quick-and-dirty films, film clips, and wildlife "news" focused on the 
>> trivial.
>>
>> For 29 years I have rallied against such wildlife pornography. I 
>> created the International Wildlife Film Festival to set high 
>> standards and to promote the production of high-quality wildlife 
>> films. Even before IWFF, I recognized that bears (in particular) were 
>> vulnerable to excessive and dramatized reporting and human interest. 
>> I started early on (the early 1960s) to teach not exploiting bear 
>> "charisma" for profit and gain, or to enhance one's ego. I have 
>> always used bears as a medium to teach and communicate about science 
>> and nature, but in ways not detrimental to the bears.
>>
>> Likewise, for decades I have been trying to encourage wildlife 
>> agencies, wildlife researchers, managers, law enforcement people, and 
>> university-level wildlife departments to deal with extensive wildlife 
>> exploitation within the mass media, the wildlife film industry, and 
>> wildlife film marketing. Professionals, well aware of the terrible 
>> impacts on wildlife by market hunters early in the 1960s, have 
>> steadfastly remained in denial about wildlife in the wildlife film 
>> marketplace. Even today, almost no wildlife management, research, or 
>> law enforcement is practiced on, focused on, or taught about the 
>> enormous, deleterious effects of bad wildlife filmmaking, 
>> distribution, marketing or screening.
>>
>> I often note that hunters, fishermen and trappers are constantly 
>> controlled, regulated, held to high sportsman standards and pursued 
>> for violations. The typical hunter has a wad of papers about 200 
>> pages long in his or her pocket in order to "stay legal," to guide on 
>> bag limits, seasons, hunting times, sex and age, closed or open 
>> areas, care of the meat, caliber of the rifle or type of shot used, 
>> etc. In the meantime, those same agencies encourage and aid countless 
>> filmmakers, camera crews, photographers, editors, writers, and 
>> whatever to go out and do whatever they want, when they want and 
>> where they want. Staff biologists are not encouraged to monitor, 
>> evaluate and speak out on, or control, wildlife productions. The 
>> content is basically considered entertainment for in the evening, not 
>> a wildlife professional's responsibility. Treadwell, for example, was 
>> allowed to do many things illegal for others to do.
>>
>> Worse, perhaps, the needed standards, ethical evaluations, impacts on 
>> wildlife and actions needed are not included in wildlife textbooks or 
>> classrooms. The whole matter is studiously ignored, as not important 
>> in the profession of wildlife biology, despite the 29 years that IWFF 
>> and the Great Bear Foundation have called for action. "Poachers with 
>> a camera" still mostly write their own rules. People like Irwin and 
>> Treadwell still do what they damn well please with animals-countless 
>> actions that a hunter would be fined and jailed for. Star-struck is 
>> for kids, not wildlife professionals. Filmmaking should not be an 
>> allowable way to exploit wildlife for money and fame. The National 
>> Geographic Society and the Discovery Channel and all of their 
>> defenders should hang their heads in shame for promoting stupid TV 
>> actions over sound wildlife biology.
>>
>> So why does this problem go on forever? People steal the charisma of 
>> the animals to boost their own ego and status, which translates into 
>> money. It is always the money. So far as I care, wildlife will be 
>> considerably better off without Treadwell and Irwin. Where are the 
>> other voices of the people who should object? Why should the balance 
>> always be stacked for the sensational, the glitz?
>>
>> Charles Jonkel is president of the Missoula-based Great Bear Foundation
>>
>> ------------------------------
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