Dear Geoff, 
  How nice that you're not against people having children, provided it's not 
more than two.  Neither is the Communist Chinese government.  And who is doing 
any underestimating?  Are you only now becoming aware of this issue, now that 
you've been through the diaper years?  
   
  Like it or not, demographics rules the world.  Which part of the world is 
currently experiencing the largest demographic increases as a consequence of 
child-birth?  It's not the US.  The author's criticism of the birth rate in the 
US (it's a 1994 article) misses one small point.  If people in the United 
States stop having babies, then eventually there won't be a United States or 
the United States will begin (and by some accounts has already begun) to become 
the dis-United States as more people come to this country that choose not to 
assimilate.   In other words, there won't be enough people born into this 
culture (by any race) who grow up to appreciate and value it.   (Don't suggest 
that I'm bashing anyone here.  It boils down to a sense of ownership. Generally 
speaking, when someone has a sense of ownership they value that thing more than 
if it were common property.)   
   
  Look at the demographics of Western Europe.  They stopped having babies at 
their replacement rate a long time ago.  If you want to read something, go read 
about the impact of demographic changes that Europe is now experiencing.  
   
  Here are two quotes from The Population Media Center 
(http://www.populationmedia.org/issues/demographics.html#popgrowth):
   
  "For at least 25 years, 20 European countries and Japan have had below 
replacement-level fertility rates (2.1 children per woman). By now a total of 
44 countries have fertility levels that low. Without the projected gain of 2 
million immigrants a year from developing countries, many industrial nations 
would shortly experience population declines."
   
  "The 48 countries classified as least developed have even more rapid 
population growth. If current trends continue, the combined populations of 
these nations will almost triple by mid-century-from 658 million to 1.8 
billion. Among the 16 countries with extremely high fertility rates (seven 
children or more per woman) are Afghanistan, Angola, Burkina Faso, Burundi, 
Liberia, Mali, Niger, Somalia, Uganda, and Yemen."
   
  It would be nice if the world operated by a few simple rules or solving one 
particular problem would be the keystone to solving everything else, but then 
there are always unintended consequences.  What will be the (unintended) 
consequences of these demographic trends?  What consequences would you like to 
discuss: political, societal, environmental, cultural, religious, (have I left 
anything out)?  It would be nice if birth rates in all countries could be 
lowered, some have but many have not.  But people will be people, influenced by 
factors other than "environmental footprints" and babies will be produced 
(let's not forget the possible unintended consequence of sex-selective 
infanticide in countries where birth control is mandated).  And, unless you 
live in Communist China where having more than two babies could get you jail 
time (or worse, tell me if I'm wrong), reducing the number of babies is an 
entirely volunteer effort counter to biological imperative.  
   
  For a couple lying together, hearts racing, palms (and other places) sweaty 
with anticipation, what's the incentive to deny the biological imperative of 
reproducing the species? (If contraception were the answer, would we be having 
this discussion?)
   
  Edward Sismour
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  Geoffrey Poole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  A thought provoking reference regarding the environmental effects of 
having a child:

A SPECIAL SECTION FOR CORRESPONDENCE AND CONTROVERSY - THE ENVIRONMENTAL 
CONSEQUENCES OF HAVING A BABY IN THE UNITED-STATES
Author(s): HALL CAS, PONTIUS RG, COLEMAN L, KO JY
Source: POPULATION AND ENVIRONMENT 15 (6): 505-524 JUL 1994

Abstract: This paper gives crude estimates of the environmental 
consequences associated with the birth of one baby in the United States. 
We calculate the magnitude of one hundred environmental impacts which 
one American born today will cause over a lifetime. The impacts are 
grouped under five headings: waste generation, mineral consumption, 
energy consumption, ecosystem alteration, and food consumption. We also 
consider, but do not quantify, impacts on extinctions of species and 
indigenous cultures. Our purpose is to emphasize the role of population 
growth in the creation of environmental problems, and to make potential 
parents aware of their ability to impact the global environment. We 
conclude that one especially effective way for individuals to protect 
the national and global environment, and hence protect the wellbeing of 
all existing people, is to stop creating more humans.

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I am not against people having (up to two) children. I have a 
2-year-old daughter myself. But let's not underestimate the 
"environmental footprint" of a baby born in the U.S.

-Geoff Poole

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