Hi Bill --

Just a few quick thoughts --

First, I don't believe that Duncan was asserting value judgements about the 
"goodness" of industrial civilization.  In Section 7 he quotes Winteringham 
(In W.'s book Energy and the Environment) to show why energy use per capita 
is "the simplest and most reliable indicator of the level of development of 
technology-based society."   This is an empirical analysis, not a value 
judgement.

Combine that with the quotation by Hoyle that advanced, technology-based 
civlization is a one-shot deal, impossible to repeat in planetary history 
(see Section 8), and Duncan theorizes that we simply do not have time or 
resources remaining to undo our mistakes and re-arrive at a similar, but 
more advanced civilization (my interpretation).

With regards to the overpopulation of humans on the planet, the point is 
made that the people are already here, yet the resources to support them 
will rapidly diminish, leading to the likely unpleasant deaths of large 
numbers of humans.  Resource wars are implied, in my view, not unlike what 
we are seeing in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. (in my opinion).

As I see it, we could have done it right, but we didn't.  And look at the 
Chinese right now -- who surely know much of the history of modern 
civilization (in Europe and the U.S.) and the harmfulness of industrial 
pollution by coal, etc., and who are apparently also failing to learn from 
history and creating the same old problems created in the west in the early 
period of western industrial development.  And despite the evidence of the 
disastrous future impacts of global climate change, we still see the U.S. 
government failing to adopt the relatively minimal Kyoto protocols while 
looking at China and India and worrying that they are going to "get away" 
with duplicating our own past behaviors, as if we have changed and they 
must, too.

In short, the U.S. appears to be leading the world to disaster, failing to 
address our failures at the appropriate level of behavior alteration, and 
also saber-rattling  as if we want to hog the remaining resources and 
deprive our enemies and competitors of them as the sands in the time clock 
of history dwindle.

By the way, there is a new article available online reporting a Government 
Accounting Office report on the Peak Oil situation and the belated attempts 
by a few government officials to take note of the seriousness of that 
situation.  Here is a link to the article:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/033007A.shtml


Duncan's report is not a value judgement, but an analysis of history leading 
to a prediction of how history will play out in the few decades ahead, and I 
think his arguments are quite persuasive, though depressing.  But even 
before I heard of Duncan I knew we were in big trouble.


Stan Moore      San Geronimo, CA       [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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