Jacquelyn,

I agree with you.  The peer-review process and publication in established 
journals
cuts down the amount of literature that I need to evaluate for sound science.  
By
using peer-reviewed journals, I can be reasonably assured that the authors have 
used
sound scientific principles in their studies, which means I can quickly 
evaluate and
use articles (fewer articles to look through to find good papers)... instead of
mucking through everyone's idea of science and pseudo-science.

Just one comment though.  The public library system seems to use a different
interlibrary loan network than university libraries.  In between my Ph.D. and
Postdoc I made requests at a local public library for journal articles.  They 
were
unable to fill them even though there is a university library 2 hours away.  

Kerry Griffis-Kyle
New Mexico State University



--- JACQUELYN GILL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> As a grad student, I have never, ever had to pay for an article, even when I 
> was
> an undergraduate at a small liberal arts school of less than 350 students.
> Librarians have been invaluable in helping me to acquire materials through
> inter-library loan, including faxed or e-mailed scans of articles that weren't
> available at my small school but were at a larger university nearby. This 
> service
> is free, and assures that no one should ever face restricted access; if it's 
> not
> at your library, it's going to be at another one (my understanding is that 
> this
> works for public libraries as well). I would also to thank the many 
> librarians and
> work study students who tirelessly scan, photocopy, and mail articles to 
> those in
> need.
> 
> As a graduate student, I am also learning to navigate the peer-review waters, 
> and
> while I acknowledge the problems with the system I would also have to strongly
> agree that we shouldn't replace it with what Petr Smilauer called "publishing
> anarchism." I am in graduate school to develop breadth and depth in my 
> knowledge
> base and acquire skills, and balancing teaching, research, and coursework
> responsibilities takes up the bulk of my time. From my perspective, the
> peer-review system is a highly efficient way of distributing the effort that 
> goes
> into disseminating information. I receive e-mailed tables of contents, I 
> peruse
> online databases like Web of Knowledge and Google Scholar, and I utilize
> references to find what I need so I can quickly and efficiently return to the 
> task
> at hand: learning. 
> 
> While it might be a valuable exercise, I certainly don't have the time or the
> knowledge base to muck through articles on dozens (or hundreds) of websites,
> deciding which is credible enough to cite in my term paper or the lit review 
> of my
> thesis. So, as with librarians, I would like to take this as an opportunity to
> thank the reviewers who volunteer their time, energy and expertise to making 
> sure
> that I don't have to. This doesn't mean I take everything I read at face 
> value,
> but I do think that the quality and integrity of my academic experience is 
> much
> greater because I can train a more fine-tuned eye on research design and
> conclusions because the broad work of weeding out and editing has already been
> done. 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jacquelyn
> 
> ************************
> Jacquelyn Gill
> Graduate Research Assistant
> Jack Williams Lab
> 
> University of Wisconsin - Madison
> Department of Geography
> 550 North Park St.
> Madison, WI 53706
> 
> 608.890.1188 (phone)
> 608.265.9331 (fax)
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Petr Smilauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 7:31 am
> Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] SCIENCE  Access to information
> To: [email protected]
> 
> > Dear all,
> > 
> >   Wayne Tyson wrote:
> > > ...
> > > What I would like to see is a shift from publication in the ripoff 
> > > journals to self-publishing on open-source websites (saving 
> > mountains 
> > > of Georgia clay and forests of "pulpwood"), casting all research and 
> > 
> > > scholarly work to the winds for ALL peers to review and reference, 
> > > thus eventually permitting MERIT to survive and the BS to compost.
> > > 
> > > While I could write authors and get papers that way, the amount of 
> > > time involved, both for me and the authors, is, in my view, an 
> > > unnecessary burden in the 21st century.  Multiply this by everyone 
> > > searching the Internet, and the burden is monumental.  It is not 
> > 
> > I believe this is rather unfortunate argument. If such a "publishing 
> > anarchism"
> > would have its way, we would spend much more time sorting out
> > credibility of each published piece of results than we do with approaching
> > authors or searching through the current databases on Internet.
> > 
> >  Also, the proportion of rubbish in the "published" (publicly exposed)
> > papers would increase dramatically, if the authors would not face the
> > prospect of their approach, results, and conclusions being checked by
> > the experts in the same field.  The large amount of "gray publications"
> > is not only the result of the existence of high publishing barrier, but
> > also the result of really bad science done at many places.
> > 
> > In my opinion, the peer review is, despite all the faults of its actual
> > state, really necessary to stay and abandoning it would be a disaster
> > for scientific progress. On the other hand, the paper of Bergstrom &
> > Bergstrom quoted here before tells interesting story and gives the
> > recipe. Non-profit publishers are currently in a strong position and
> > it can be further improved by qualified decisions of submitting
> > authors. But the price of publishing cannot be driven down to "free",
> > only at a huge expense of deteriorating the quality of communication
> > among scientists. 
> > 
> > 
> > Petr Smilauer
> > Ceske Budejovice
> > Czech Republic
> 

*****************************
Kerry Griffis-Kyle
Postdoctoral Research Associate
New Mexico State University


       
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