Not really. This is a perception many have, but it is only accurate with those who emphasize env policy or env social sciences. Even then, its not definite.
On Sat, November 24, 2007 7:00 am, James J. Roper wrote: > I do not believe that the implication isn't exactly that. Rather > ecologist > study ecology while environmental scientists study environmental issues. > There are ecological environmental scientists. Certainly there is an > overlap between the two fields but that does not make the two fields any > less distinct and separate. I do not believe that we need to try to > pigeonhole either of the two fields we just recognize that they're both > distinct yet due to the individual interests they overlap. > > As Yasmin said, in many places in countries people only think of ecology > as > environmental sciences. That is ecologist are only environmentalists or > environmental engineers above some type. In fact the majority of > Americans > think the same way. If you pick a random American out of the crowd and > say > to them "I am an ecologist" they are very likely to respond "so am I." > However ecologists certainly know the difference even though random people > do not. I think the issue this back in fact everybody SHOULD know the > difference. > > I only put my 2 worth and because I wanted to change the subject line - I > don't think anybody knew what "another picture" was all about. > > I just had surgery on my hand and am using voice activated software to > writ= > e > this message - so please forgive any errors! > > Sincerely- > > Jim > > On 11/23/07, William Silvert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> The implication is that ecologists do research and environmental >> scientists >> apply it. Yasmin's posting implies that this is true for Turkey, but I >> question its universality. My problem is that there is increasing >> awareness >> of the need for interdisciplinary (rather than multidisciplinary) >> researc= > h >> that does not fit into our existing schema. >> >> By the distinction between interdisciplinary and multidisciplinary >> research >> I refer to fields such as physical chemistry, which overlaps both >> physics >> and chemistry but is actually quite narrow -- it sits in the space >> betwee= > n >> them -- and the kind of research that involves a shallow knowledge of >> man= > y >> fields. >> >> There are many examples of ecosystems interacting with hydrological and >> geological systems which need to be studied in depth, but although these >> call for an interdisciplinary effort, they do not require the broad but >> superficial knowledge of all areas that we think of as >> multidisciplinary. >> And where should such prgrams be classified? If not environmental >> science= > , >> then where? >> >> Bill Silvert >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Malcolm McCallum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 3:50 PM >> Subject: Re: Another picture >> >> >> > Yasemin is correct, ecology is not environmental science. >> > >> > Environmental science is an interdisciplinary area of study that >> > encompasses the biological, chemical, geological, economic, and >> political >> > forces that mold how we use and manage our environment. It >> encompasses >> > wildlife and fisheries management, ecotoxicology, and other similar >> > fields. Ecology is a science that addresses the structure and >> function >> of >> > the biosphere. Although many ecologists find themselves working in >> > environmental science, and many environmental scientists work >> essentially >> > as ecologists, they are very different. >> > >> > A simple parallel that might help discern the two fields is that >> > Ecology is to environmental science as physics is to engineering. >> > >> > Malcolm McCallum >> > >> > On Thu, November 22, 2007 7:33 pm, yasemin baytok wrote: >> >> Dear Ecologgers, >> >> >> >> With all do respect, I disagree with Andy's view that there is no >> >> separation >> >> between environmental and ecological science. I'm frustrated cause, >> >> unfortunately in my country, Turkey, Environmental science =3D >> >> environmental >> >> engineering-agricultural engineering-forest engineering =3D Ecology! >> A= > nd >> >> they >> >> seem liked to be so called "ecologist" and even believed they are. >> > > > > --=20 > James J. Roper, Ph.D. > > Ecologia e Din=E2micas Populacionais > de Vertebrados Terrestres > > Caixa Postal 19034 > 81531-990 Curitiba, Paran=E1, Brasil > > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Telefone: 55 41 33857249 > Mobile: 55 41 99870543 > > http://www.bio.ufpr.br/ecologia/ Ecologia e Conserva=E7=E3o na UFPR > > http://jjroper.googlespages.com Personal Pages > Malcolm L. McCallum Assistant Professor of Biology Editor Herpetological Conservation and Biology http://www.herpconbio.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
