Tim,

No doubt, besides being a parent for satisfaction, there can be other more 
promising ways to be satisfied. However, the alternative you have suggested 
to get satisfied by helping a nephew/niece or others' children seems not so 
convincing. The point is, if everyone starts thinking to follow the same 
suit that you have suggested, where will everyone finds  'Others'? Logic is 
simple. It would not exist.

Similar logic can be argued for childless movement. In developed countries 
it is widespread, and its product, 'shrinking population' has alerted the 
governments in those countries. Obvious reason is 'reduced working force' 
and the chances of increased pressure from developing countries, where 
couples have 5, 6 or more children. But, if (and if...) the people from 
developing countries follow the same path of much talked 'childless 
movement', as they usually opt to follow developed world in terms of 
political, economic and cultural changes, what will be the end result? Will 
human still remain a part of 'Nature', for welfare of which so much 
arguments are made in this and other discussions. So contribution of 
replicating couples in passing the values to the next generation could not 
be undermined.

Jay

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Murray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 1:54 AM
Subject: The satisfaction of not being a parent


> Hello, forgive me, I am just a voyeur to the discussion. Osmar, I think =
> you are mistaken. There is something more satisfying than being a =
> parent. It is being an uncle. That has always been my deep biological =
> urge. To spend quality time with my nephew, to give him my best 5 or 6 =
> hours a week, always feeling excited to see him and him returning that =
> feeling. Relieving my brother and his wife from child-rearing duties now =
> and then strengthened our relationship too. Now my nephew is 27, and I =
> treat him as my only son, and since his father died ten years ago, he =
> regards me as his dad. He will inherit all of what I have. It is not =
> necessary that we replicate ourselves. We can share other people's =
> children and give them as much as we want to. We can even adopt one of =
> the millions of children who have no parents. Why give birth to more? =
> The planet will thank us.   Tim Murray, BC Canada
> 

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