David Baker wrote, "I don't think we have the responsibility to maintain the 
planet at some arbitrary steady state to prevent the loss of any current 
species."  That's agreeable, but I’ve never heard anyone argue for "some 
arbitrary steady state."  In fact, I haven’t seen anyone prescribe a particular 
size of steady state economy, arbitrary or non-arbitrary.  

What is more applicable at this point in history is a process called “muddling 
toward” in political science.  In this case the polity muddles toward a roughly 
optimal, but not precisely specified, steady state.  The muddling is done by a 
complex of citizens, policy makers, civil servants, etc.  The muddling is 
manifest in consumer decisions, investments, voting, policy-making, public 
program development, etc.  Their preferences are "averaged out" in a steady 
state economy that is larger than some prefer and smaller than others prefer.

Muddling toward a broad policy goal works to the extent that a sufficient 
proportion of citizens, politicians, etc. are educated and concerned with the 
well-being of society.  In this case, they would be well aware of the tradeoff 
between economic growth and crucial long-term goals such as environmental 
protection, economic sustainability, and national security.  With regard to 
this particular listserve thread on species conservation, the polity must be 
aware of the fundamental conflict between economic growth and biodiversity 
conservation.  That conflict then becomes part of their decision-making 
framework going forward.

Ecologists who see the need for a steady state economy at a non-arbitrary 
level, for the sake of biodiveristy conservation and a long list of other 
goals, are encouraged to join the Center for the Advancement of the Steady 
State Economy:  http://steadystate.org/CASSEMembership.html .

Brian Czech, Ph.D., President
Center for the Advancement of the Steady State Economy 

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From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news 
[[email protected]] On Behalf Of David C Baker [[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 9:31 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Insignificant species?

I am not sure that Dr. Patton's statement was near perfection. I would
agree that we are being stupid if we don't acknowledge our role in at
least the loss of some species, but long before we changed the planet for
the worse, species were being lost as a result of changes in the
conditions they had evolved to exist in. Even if we can reduce the effects
of our species on this planet, I don't know how conditions might change in
the future that may result in the loss of other species, particularly
plants that can't actively outrun spreading glaciers or rising oceans. We
should acknoledge that we have some responsibility, but I don't think we
have the responsibility to maintain the planet at some arbitrary steady
state to prevent the loss of any current species.

David Baker, Botanist
Tiller Ranger District
Umpqua National Forest
Tiller, OR 97484
541-825-3149

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