In today's WSJ, 
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703939404574567981561373094.html 
there is an opinion piece that covers some of an Ecolog discussion a while back 
that may reinforce or clarify (or challenge?) some of the posts (I forget the 
subject line, so can't retrieve the thread). Since I have "referenced" the 
article via the preceding link, I shall only excerpt some of the salient points 
in quotes. 

"Accurate sourcing guarantees that researchers make rigorous inquiries, handle 
evidence responsibly, and give credit where it's due."

I presume there's no disagreement with that statement of principle; however, 
when the author says, 

". . . while the citations, the style manuals, the numbering, the numbing 
tedium are just unpleasant memories to folks who now labor far from the groves 
of academe, they are a continuing affliction for scholars in the humanities." 

I, for one, believe that anytime a claim to fact is made it should be 
"accurately sourced" regardless of where it appears in print--including emails, 
posts, etc., no matter how "far from the groves of academe" one labors. While 
this level of discipline may be unpleasant for scholars in the humanities 
(whose footnoting system I do dearly despise, so full it is of ibid's, op. 
cit's, etc., that I want to scream, why don't you just put the page number, the 
author's last name and the d.o.p in parentheses, the citation/source in the 
bibliography and keep it simple and easy?), I have come to disregard ALL of 
what is claimed that is not properly sourced--the reason for this is largely 
due to the fact that I simply can't spare the time to chase down and verify all 
the claims made by ever genius and every nut on the Internet who just wants me 
to trust him or her. This means I have to ignore what is probably a lot of good 
stuff that comes my way, but hey, isn't it time we insisted upon discipline at 
all levels of society? 

However, I will admit that the proliferation of unsourced claims do serve one 
very important purpose: They have, for me at least, made me more skeptical of 
what I read--anywhere. It is one way of separating the grain from the chaff, 
and the only way that works well, despite being a bit of a blunt instrument. I 
do not apply this where the author IS the source, or where the author 
adequately explains the logical stream, principles upon which a claim or 
conclusion is made or reached. Of course, scholarly writings are subject, to 
some extent, at least, to comments by "peers," while the popular press rarely 
follows up or owns up to critical evaluation, especially in the case of 
newspapers, etc., hence one good reason for their imminent demise. 

This leads us to yet another issue that needs to be faced in an increasingly 
complex and voluminous information world--there is a tendency to drop a 
discussion when the going gets tough. Not only science needs to insist that 
participants in any discussion worthy of one's time, the whole atmosphere of 
interaction has got to stop wasting time and energy on discussion and work on 
issues that go nowhere. 

There are other issues raised in this article that I will leave to others for 
comment, as this has grown too long already, but I will be interested to hear 
whether or not this article, in the opinion of Ecolog subscribers, helps to 
advance the recent discussion on this topic. As usual, I look forward to having 
my own thoughts challenged and corrected. 

WT

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