Wayne and others,

I did not understand the way the distinction was made, either.  To me, both 
biome and ecosystem are useful terms.  To me, a biome has always meant a set of 
landscapes around the world, each sharing ecological similarities.  The 
similarities are for the most part botanical growth forms due to 
physico-chemical limiting factors, so appropriate names for biomes in that 
sense are "desert," "tropical rain forest,"  temperate deciduous forest," 
"grassland," and so on.  Each is a broad landscape type, and each occurs widely 
in the world as separate representations.  Further, to me, an ecosystem is a 
unit of landscape that includes two specific biological properties, energy flow 
and biogeochemical cycling.  We use geographic and geological boundaries to 
delimit ecosystems for descriptive and investigative purposes, but any given 
ecosystem is open to surrounding ones (when a dragonfly emerges from its natal 
stream, it may then be eaten by a kite that never lived in a stream -- we stil!
 l may study the stream as an ecosystem).  There is only one desert biome, 
whether we are looking at the Kalahari or the Mojave.  They are members of the 
same biome.  Consequently, no biome could be described and investigated as an 
ecosystem.  Biome is just a convenient way to recognize similarities in biotic 
makeup due to physico-chemical limitations of different landscape units around 
the world.  Ecosystem is a convenient way to describe and study units of 
landscape in a functional manner.

Yes Wayne, apples and oranges.  The proposed text seems to offer confusion 
rather than the clarity it hopes to provide because it seems to represent a 
biome as a large ecosystem.  The terms are not used that way in my experience.

mcneely
---- Wayne Tyson <[email protected]> wrote: 
> Ecolog:
> 
> It seems I am in need of some serious educating or I'm misunderstanding this 
> post.
> 
> My standard for terminology, as I have said before, is clarity. That is, 
> useful terms should delineate, in non-misleading brevity, the crucial 
> distinction between the phenomena described by them. If this is wrong, 
> please clear this up for me.
> 
> As to biomes, they seem to be quite broad and general, described by common 
> indicator species, while ecosystems, large and small, like the earth and 
> vernal pools, are integrated, interdependent and independent 
> (self-sufficient and to a greater than lesser degree independent of other) 
> systems. The two terms seem to be apples and oranges to me, both useful, but 
> describing the same elephant at different scales or sections. I used to 
> piddle around in puddles after rains as a child, intrigued at how fast 
> tadpoles could appear magically from the dust, but I have a hard time to 
> this day seeing them, unto themselves, as ecosystems.
> 
> I do not see the usefulness of the distinction drawn by this post, but am 
> eager to become better informed and have my present impressions corrected. 
> Consistent with my own standard, I am eager to understand the crucial 
> distinctions, but when they are not there I'm not sure that they should be 
> invented.
> 
> I'm ready to shape up.
> 
> WT
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joseph K. Golson" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 9:48 AM
> Subject: [ECOLOG-L] CALL FOR AUTHORS: Biomes and Ecosystems: An 
> Encyclopedia - Edited by Robert Warren Howarth
> 
> 
> > Greetings,
> >
> >
> >
> > We are inviting academic editorial contributors to a new reference work
> > about biomes and ecosystems to be published by Salem Press in 2013.
> >
> >
> >
> > With approximately 600 articles in 4 volumes, Biomes and Ecosystems: An
> > Encyclopedia is a comprehensive review of key biological and geographic
> > classifications tied to the high-school and college curriculum. According 
> > to
> > one expert, there is a slight difference between the two words, biome and
> > ecosystem. An ecosystem is much smaller than a biome. Conversely, a biome
> > can be thought of many similar ecosystems throughout the world grouped
> > together. An ecosystem can be as large as the Sahara Desert, or as small 
> > as
> > a puddle or vernal pool. Thus, the reference work will cover the broad 
> > scope
> > of biomes and ecosystems around the world, from puddles on the street to
> > coral reefs in Australia to rain forests in Brazil to the tundra in 
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> > or
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> >
> >
> >
> > We are now making article assignments with a deadline of October 31, 2011.
> >
> >
> >
> > Each article ranges from 600 to 3500 words and is signed by the 
> > contributor.
> > The General Editor for the encyclopedia is Dr. Robert Warren Howarth,
> > Cornell University, who will review all the articles for editorial content
> > and academic consistency.
> >
> >
> >
> > If you are interested in contributing to Biomes and Ecosystems: An
> > Encyclopedia, it can be a notable publication addition to your CV/resume 
> > and
> > broaden your publishing credits. Moreover, you can help ensure that 
> > accurate
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> > students
> > and library patrons. Compensation is an honorarium payment of $25 up to 
> > 1000
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> >
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> >
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