The Hubbs coastal archaeology collection is at USD, not UCSD. Odd, but that's the way it happened. Scripps wanted to get rid of it. Administrators?
WT ----- Original Message ----- From: Barney Luttbeg To: Wayne Tyson Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] David Starr Jordan Indiana U Re: [ECOLOG-L] Jordan's rule Folkloric Tangent Was it really to the University of San Diego or to the University of California at San Diego? Barney On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 11:41 PM, Wayne Tyson <[email protected]> wrote: McNeely and all: Most interesting. That's a great story about the kids. Whatever happened to Clark? I wonder if he ever connected with Ed Ricketts? I don't remember anything I've read about Ricketts mentioning him. My wife, Rose Tyson, who was curator of physical anthropology at the Museum of Man, had the Hubbs (midden) collection transferred to the University of San Diego sometime around the turn of the millennium along with an inventory done by her volunteer, Daniel Elerick. This collection was from several archaeological sites along the Pacific coast, all the way to the tip of Baja California Sur. I wonder if anyone has put together any kind of biography of Hubbs? These kinds of stories help bring these folks to life for future generations. My wife did a physical anthropology paper on a burial from this collection, and Charles Merbs did one on the pathologies. Who knows what treasures the collection might hold for future generations? I liked Hubbs right away. He was all business; no pretensions. He took you at face value. I just recalled one story he told me--Hubbs was hiking northward in the mountains of Japan with a guide. In the midst of the wilderness, they came to a sign. He asked for a translation. The guide said, "Sign say 'This spot most north where Camellia grow.'" He told me other stories about his visits with the Emperor, but I have forgotten them. His family has probably written them down or remembers them. Hubbs' wife, an M.D. herself, I believe, also helped Hubbs by laying out his manuscripts on a large table so he could work on several at one time. My wife, too, has been an enormous help to me over the last 39 or 40 years; I would not be whatever I am without her, though I don't blame her for what I am not. I hope others will post stories about Hubbs and other highly accomplished students of natural history and other sciences. I have an audiotape of Margaret Mead and Fred Singer that I made in 1972. I wish I could remember more. G. Ledyard Stebbins let me videotape him in a darkened motel room in Sacramento many years ago--I should have the tape somewhere if it hasn't fallen apart. I also videotaped one of this lectures to the local Chapter of the CNPS. There was another one out of a very similar rock from which Hubbs was chiseled, and he had stories about others, generations before his time. I can't remember the names of the characters, but one Stebbins liked to tell was about an early lady botanist (and, I believe, M.D.) and a very proper Victorian era gentleman scientist who were out on an expedition (strictly scientific, mind you) by horse-drawn buggy in California when the lady espied an aquatic plant she wanted to press. The gentleman removed his shoes and rolled up his pants to retrieve the specimen, but found that the water was too deep. He said something like, "I fear I shall not be able to collect the specimen, dear lady." "Take off your pants," said she. "Oh, I COULDN'T," said he. "Take them off," said she, "I've AUTOPSIED better men than you!" I hope someone can identify these characters--they were quite well-known. WT I realize that I made some errors in my last post. I have added text in (parentheses). There may still be others. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; "Wayne Tyson" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] David Starr Jordan Indiana U Re: [ECOLOG-L] Jordan's rule Folkloric Tangent Hubbs kept an "academic geneology" showing the descendents of his students. So, when I published my first paper after starting work on my Ph.D., I got a note from him, as part of a reprint request. He had sketched my "academic geneology" on the card. Probably a majority of ichthyologists and fish ecologists in North America are descended from David Starr Jordan, mostly through Carl Hubbs or Robert Rush Miller or both. Clark Hubbs told me that when the two families went into the field together, the kids got paid for new species and extra for new genera of fishes they helped to collect. Since they were working the American Southwest and northern Mexico in the thirties, there were lots to be had. David McNeely ---- Wayne Tyson <[email protected]> wrote: McNeely and all: Thanks for this; it hits close to home, if only a ricochet. Fond (but faded) memories of my main contact with Hubbs. A bunch of locals were asked to evaluate the site of the coming Wild Animal Park of the San Diego zoo (now called the San Diego Zoo "Safari Park.") I had a 1968 Ford Bronco, and somehow it turned out that Hubbs rode with me as we drove all over the property. The date must have been in the early '70's. I was astounded at his breadth of knowledge. He identified a few scraps of bivalve shell a few hundred feet away, so practiced was his eye. My wife used his work on Mytilus sp. in her midden research in Baja California. Hubbs hair was jet black. Only his hairdresser would know for sure, but I doubt he had one. Ian Player had been consulted and had recommended a network of "tunnels" be incorporated into the large acreages where several species were to roam "free." Both Hubbs and I thought it was a helluva good idea, and we (together with several people from the San Diego Natural History Museum (including Helen Witham/Chamlee), based our report on the assumption that Player's idea would be accepted. I incorporated a complimentary idea to create "islands" of vegetation that would be staggered across the slopes to trap silt from the inevitable erosion, enclosed with moveable barriers (elephant- and rhino-resistant) that would have vegetation that could be trampled and eaten and serve as shade and cover for smaller animals, both free and captive. (These were to be rotated at different times.) We prepared an extensive report, but we (or at least I) weren't permitted to present it in person or to answer questions. The Zoo director (Charles Schroder, if I remember correctly) rejected the idea(s) (Player's and our) and opted instead for a monorail, a much more expensive option. Every time there is a fuss about the erosion problem it's all I can do to tell 'em I told 'em so. The rumor was that Schroder was a real dictator. Years later, when I told an astounded if not enraged Chuck Faust the story, he wanted to see a copy of the report, but I hadn't kept one. Hubbs had a great secretary, Betty Shor, who organized all his publications and kept meticulous records, all neatly filed away in banks of wooden pigeonholes. Hubbs died later in the seventies, in his eighties, but when I saw him, even on one or two occasions after our trip. If you requested a reprint, you might be reminded that you had requested the same reprint several years past. I'll share a story (as best I can remember it) about Jordan, told by Ray Gilmore (at the time curator of marine mammals for the (San Diego) Natural History Museum). Jordan and a colleague were walking across campus one day when a student asked Dr. Jordan a question, which, upon answering, Jordan asked the student's name. Jordan's colleague asked him why he didn't remember his student's names. Jordan replied, "Every time I remember the name of a student, I forget the name of a fish!" WT ----- Original Message ----- From: "David L. McNeely" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] David Starr Jordan Indiana U Re: [ECOLOG-L] Jordan's rule Why do people keep posting things that seem as if the matter is a bit equivocal. It is not. "Jordan's Rule" refers to David Starr Jordan's work with meristic features of fishes. It was almost certainly so named by his star student, Carl Hubbs. The references I posted earlier should clear the matter up for those for whom it is not clear (it is clear to me), and if pursued, likely would definitively answer the original question in favor of Carl Hubbs. That original question was not for whom was the rule named, but by whom was the term coined. David McNeely ---- Susan Kephart <[email protected]> wrote: > The last few posts all lead to the same path.. I"m not an expert on all > Jordan's accomplishments as I work w. plants, but Indiana University > should have quite a digest on him since that's where he worked for many > years. One of the biology buildings there is named after him > > S > > On Aug 29, 2012, at 8:02 AM, Chava Weitzman wrote: > > > How about this one: Jordan, D.S. (1892) Relations of temperature to > > vertebrae among fishes. Proceedings of the United States National > > Museum, > > 1891, 107–120. > > > > Cited in: > > R. M. McDowall. 2007. Jordan’s and other ecogeographical rules, and > > the > > vertebral number in fishes. Journal of Biogeography. > > http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2699.2007.01823.x/full > > Chava > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 7:25 AM, Jan Ygberg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Dear all > >> > >> Maybe this one? : > >> > >> > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_algebra > >> > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascual_Jordan > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> > >> Jan H. N. 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