Eric wrote:
>Perhaps it all comes down to:
>Does the words "right" and "wrong"  ever have any useful meaning in the
>context of ethical discussions?  In any context?
>Do they always represent a dichotomy or opposites?  
>How do we decide what to do?  Can't a reasonable solution be considered
>"right"?
>Given similar enough situations, can two people end up with the same
>"right" action?
>Are there better words than "right" and "wrong" to describe our choices?

Good questions, i think they are going in a useful direction.
I find language very frustrating and probably make a nuisance of
myself trying to unravel it.  Unfortunately, we are stuck with it
and the ambiguous ways it is constructed.  To make matters even
worse language analysis can be confusing and boring.

If we are describing real world events (not abstractions) then i
don't think opposites or dichotomies fit very well.  Most of
the decisions in daily life are not "right" or "wrong" choices.
Some choices are clearly better and some worse.  

If we judge the choices of others with the words "right" and
"wrong" then this sounds very absolute and much different from
the idea of "better choice" and "worse choice".  It pushes
our thinking towards absolute dichotomies of right and wrong.

Once we get into absolutes our reasoning can manipulate the ideas
and take them just about anywhere, but if we keep the ideas
tied to an event or site then they stay grounded and we can't
manipulate them.  This limits our normal process of thinking
with language groupings.

What it does is force us to think holistically (whatever that
means).

The Native American saying which says "walk a mile in someone
moccasins before criticizing" is suggesting the same idea.
One can argue that all this makes sense for individuals but
governments need rules and it is governments that control our
lives.  All this is true, and i think it is tied into why
our present society isn't sustainable.  We need to shift
away from international rules and thinking towards bioregions
and local community.  There will have to be rules, but the
idea we can make rules for everything will be gone.

We have already arrived at a point where few people know
or understand most of the rules.  We have lawyers who
specialize and even they are not sure what rule fits every
situation.  This disconnects people from government
and confuses ethics.  Things got so confusing here in Oregon
we just passed a law that says people have to be notified
of new laws that impact them.  Good luck <grin>.

Hummm... how did i get way over here on legal systems...
I'd better wrap this up before i fall asleep.

I think the question at this point is how do we agree on what
needs doing and how?  Well, if you are in swamp full of
alligators and snakes i think the best response is to stop
talking a do something.  You don't need to agree on which
alligator to fight first and you need to keep looking behind.

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Jeff Owens ([EMAIL PROTECTED])  Zone 7, http://www.teleport.com/~kowens
 Underground house, solar energy, reduced consumption, no TV

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