>
>Living Ecologically
>
>There are many groups pushing for ecological causes
>but few of them actually live a ecological lifestyle.
>This is a strange paradox.
>
>
>All of these philosophies have roots in industrial society,
>but the largest group of people living somewhat ecologically
>are indigenous people world wide. Often native people do not
>have choices and given the resources would be as destructive
>as other groups. Where a consistent philosophy does exist we
>often view it as primitive or uncivilized.

Yes, Jeff!  This defines part of the problem.  It is shades of 'Ishmael'  We 
are all part of this system.  It seems impossible to operate outside of it.  
Or maybe I should ask the question 'Is it possible to operate outside of 
this system?

Money is a component of it.  While, there are lots of solutions for 
sustainable living or whatever you want to call it, getting the land is a 
big problem.  We live in a world where we believe we own the earth.  I talk 
this we hardly have the vocabulary to talk or think otherwise.

Permaculture sells its knowledge.  I can go to the library and read about it 
but to be part of this community it is necessary to take the courses which 
cost about $1000.  Thus it becomes an exclusive group for those who have the 
bucks.

There are lots of wonderful solutions as you mentioned but how do we get 
around the connections to 'System'?
>

Richard


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