why were there 5 unsubscribes from EDI-L all on Monday? anything happening out there? -----Original Message----- From: Automatic digest processor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 3:00 AM To: Recipients of EDI-L digests Subject: EDI-L Digest - 21 Jan 2001 to 22 Jan 2001 (#2001-16) There are 23 messages totalling 1259 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Unsubscribe (3) 2. HIPAA vs: Standard Implementation Usage Identifiers/Attribute (2) 3. Wal-Mart EDI (7) 4. HIPAA vs: Standard Implementation UsageIdentifiers/Attribute 5. Interesting Reading 6. EDI & Court Docs 7. unsubscribe (2) 8. Mercator Trading Partner Desktop (5) 9. 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Given that both yourself and other members of Foresight Corporation have previously gone on record to your customers, including the US DoD as saying that: "Compliance is not an issue that we are concerned about" it is good to see that you have changed your mind about the importance of compliance. However, since EDISIM Analyzer has not (as far as I know) been audited by anyone from X12, it can hardly be called the ultimate proof of X12 compliance - X12 itself is responsible for defining what compliance with the X12 Standard is. Since you sit on the very same X12 committee as I do, and voted to approve the Technical Report which makes that definition for publication, you have also endorsed X12's position in that respect. It is also necessary to point out that compliance with the basic X12 standard does not mean that the data is compliant with any particular IC or is interoperable between trading partners. So the comment that the HIPAA transactions pass when compared against the X12 standard is in fact more or less meaningless. > Every valid HIPAA transaction set is also a valid X12 transaction set. This is true, but that does not mean that their Implementation Convention is compliant with X12's definition of Compliance with X12. Someone could send you, for instance, an implementation guide written in baroque German, which you might be completely unable to use or understand but that doesn't mean that a compliant X12 transmission couldn't be formulated in accordance with that IC by someone who could read it. If in particular, in the interests of the broadest possible understanding of ICs, X12 had stipulated that ICs must be written in English, then this IC could hardly be considered compliant. In practice, of course, as would be expected of a serious EDI standards setting body such as X12, the Technical Report on "Compliance in X12", which you correctly point out is document X12C/99-197, has been through detailed discussion and analysis in the standard committee process. It passed both a letter and full ballot in X12C, including your vote on both occasions, and has also been approved for publication by X12J, Technical Assessment. Given the cumulative years of experience within these august bodies, and their combined skills in setting, maintaining and interpreting the X12 standard, I think we may safely trust them to know what is and is not both relevant and correct in terms of X12 compliance, don't you ? Jonathan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jonathan Allen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Voice: 01404-823670 Barum Computer Consultants | | Fax: 01404-823671 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 08:58:54 -0500 From: "William J. Kammerer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: HIPAA vs: Standard Implementation Usage Identifiers/Attribute Jonathan Allen has decided to branch out from his specialty of ISA record lengths and address the issue of X12 compliance. Jonathan says "...both yourself and other members of Foresight Corporation have previously gone on record to your customers, including the US DoD as saying that: 'Compliance is not an issue that we are concerned about.'" This is quite unbelievable, as I would never end a sentence with a preposition. Besides, we at FORESIGHT have always been concerned with compliance - we're the ones who invented the EDSIM Analyzer, after all! For more information, please see http://www.foresightcorp.com/pages/products/edisim/esb.html. He goes on further to say I "voted to approve" the Technical Report on "Compliance in X12," which supposedly defines what is and is not a compliant implementation guide. I don't believe I would have "voted to approve" this thing because of all my many technical objections to it. For example, the Report says "Not Advised" must be used to mark a segment or element when it is allowed, though not recommended, for inclusion - making the very common notation of "Not Recommended" out of "compliance." I also testified before the X12 Technical Assessment Group on the Report's insistence that DISA's sequence numbers be inviolate doesn't make any sense since sequence numbers are not part of the X12 standard - they are a mere typographical convenience provided by DISA as the publisher of the X12 standards. Of course, the EDISIM Standards Editor replicates the DISA sequence numbers, and we certainly encourage folks to leave the numbers alone. Though not denying the veracity of my testimony, I was rebuffed by the chair for being too nit-picky - a strange observation indeed considering I was seated right next to Jonathan Allen. How do you see the Moon when the Sun is out? William J. Kammerer FORESIGHT Corp. 4950 Blazer Memorial Pkwy. Dublin, OH USA 43017-3305 +1 614 791-1600 Visit FORESIGHT Corp. at http://www.foresightcorp.com/ "Commerce for a New World" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 08:10:02 -0600 From: Ron Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Wal-Mart EDI I am trying to connect to the Wal-Mart network and am having no success and the contacts I have at Wal-Mart are less than helpful. I am running the Harbinger (now Peregrine) Trustedlink software on an As/400 and am successfully connecting to other VANs with no problem. However, when I try dialing the Wal-Mart network I can never get a connection and I get the message that there was no answer tone detected. Has anyone else had a similar problem with Wal-Mart, and, If so, what was the solution. I think the problem has to be something in the comm settings for the Bisync line, but I don't have any way of checking them since my Wal-Mart contact can't (or won't) give me the settings they are using on their end. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Ronald L. Zimmerman Project Manager Swiss Valley Farms, Co. www.swissvalley.com E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 01:11:06 +1100 From: Ken Steel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: HIPAA vs: Standard Implementation UsageIdentifiers/Attribute "William J. Kammerer" wrote: > > Jonathan Allen has decided to branch out from his specialty of ISA > record lengths and address the issue of X12 compliance. Jonathan, William, Is this public brawling really necessary, gentlemen? Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn! -- Ken Steel ICARIS Services Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technology: http://www.icaris.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:34:13 -0500 From: Henry Faust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Wal-Mart EDI I am having a similar problem and Walmart isn't very helpful. But this has = happened many times in the past. Henry Faust First Source Furniture EDI Analyst [EMAIL PROTECTED] (615) 882-4494 Work (888) 241-3226 Pager >>> Ron Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 01/22/01 08:10AM >>> I am trying to connect to the Wal-Mart network and am having no success = and the contacts I have at Wal-Mart are less than helpful. I am running the Harbinger (now Peregrine) Trustedlink software on an As/400 and am successfully connecting to other VANs with no problem. However, when I = try dialing the Wal-Mart network I can never get a connection and I get the message that there was no answer tone detected. Has anyone else had a similar problem with Wal-Mart, and, If so, what was the solution. I think the problem has to be something in the comm settings for the Bisync line, but I don't have any way of checking them since my Wal-Mart contact can't (or won't) give me the settings they are using on their end. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Ronald L. Zimmerman Project Manager Swiss Valley Farms, Co. www.swissvalley.com=20 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To contact the list owner: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]=20 Archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/edi-l%40listserv.ucop.edu/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:09:27 -0500 From: "Weideman, Drake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Wal-Mart EDI This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0848D.B1B2DB30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sir, It used to be that Harbinger would assist you with any support issues relating to their product, including connection problems to any VAN (even Walmart). I do not believe that they (now Peregrine) have changed their support policies in the last 6 months or so, so I would give them a call and they should be able to help you get your connection problems resolved. If no one there is helpful, you can always switch your software to our Trinary Systems package, where we will help you resolve your Walmart connection problems in a timely, friendly & professional manner. Trinary software ROCKS!!! (Sorry about the advertising, but ya gotta seize your opportunities :) ) Drake Weideman Mgr-Tech Support Phone: (248) 442-8540 x231 Fax: (248) 442-9125 -----Original Message----- From: Ron Zimmerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 9:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Wal-Mart EDI I am trying to connect to the Wal-Mart network and am having no success and the contacts I have at Wal-Mart are less than helpful. I am running the Harbinger (now Peregrine) Trustedlink software on an As/400 and am successfully connecting to other VANs with no problem. However, when I try dialing the Wal-Mart network I can never get a connection and I get the message that there was no answer tone detected. Has anyone else had a similar problem with Wal-Mart, and, If so, what was the solution. I think the problem has to be something in the comm settings for the Bisync line, but I don't have any way of checking them since my Wal-Mart contact can't (or won't) give me the settings they are using on their end. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Ronald L. Zimmerman Project Manager Swiss Valley Farms, Co. www.swissvalley.com E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ======================================================================= To contact the list owner: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/edi-l%40listserv.ucop.edu/ ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0848D.B1B2DB30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version = 5.5.2650.12"> <TITLE>RE: Wal-Mart EDI</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sir,</FONT> <BR> <FONT SIZE=3D2>It used = to be that Harbinger would assist you with any support issues relating = to their product, including connection problems to any VAN (even = Walmart). I do not believe that they (now Peregrine) have changed = their support policies in the last 6 months or so, so I would give them = a call and they should be able to help you get your connection problems = resolved. If no one there is helpful, you can always switch your = software to our Trinary Systems package, where we will help you resolve = your Walmart connection problems in a timely, friendly & = professional manner. Trinary software ROCKS!!! (Sorry about the = advertising, but ya gotta seize your opportunities :) )</FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Drake Weideman</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Mgr-Tech Support</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Phone: (248) 442-8540 x231</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Fax: (248) 442-9125</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2> -----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Ron Zimmerman [<A = HREF=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mailto:Ron-Zimmerman@SWISS= VALLEY.COM</A>] </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 9:10 = AM</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: = [EMAIL PROTECTED]</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: = Wal-Mart EDI</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I am trying to connect to the Wal-Mart network and am = having no success and</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>the contacts I have at Wal-Mart are less than = helpful. I am running the</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Harbinger (now Peregrine) Trustedlink software on an = As/400 and am</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>successfully connecting to other VANs with no = problem. However, when I try</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>dialing the Wal-Mart network I can never get a = connection and I get the</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>message that there was no answer tone = detected. Has anyone else had a</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>similar problem with Wal-Mart, and, If so, what was = the solution. I think</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>the problem has to be something in the comm settings = for the Bisync line,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>but I don't have any way of checking them since my = Wal-Mart contact can't</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>(or won't) give me the settings they are using on = their end.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Any help will be greatly appreciated.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Thank you,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Ronald L. Zimmerman</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Project Manager</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Swiss Valley Farms, = Co. www.swissvalley.com</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]</FONT> </P> <P><FONT = SIZE=3D2>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To contact the list owner: <A = HREF=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A>= </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Archives at <A = HREF=3D"http://www.mail-archive.com/edi-l%40listserv.ucop.edu/" = TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.mail-archive.com/edi-l%40listserv.ucop.edu/= </A></FONT> </P> </BODY> </HTML> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0848D.B1B2DB30-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:31:42 -0700 From: "Kazzaz, Dan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Unsubscribe This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08490.CD869440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08490.CD869440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <TITLE>Unsubscribe</TITLE> <META content="MSHTML 5.00.3018.900" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> </BODY></HTML> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08490.CD869440-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:13:13 -0600 From: "J. Glenn Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Interesting Reading http://www.emarketer.com/analysis/ecommerce_b2b/20010122_edi.html -- Glenn Thompson Programmer/Analyst American Trouser, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:45:00 -0800 From: "Catlin, Phil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Wal-Mart EDI Ron... I don't do Wal-mart, but I do lots of Bisync on an AS/400... Some probably obvious things to check since this is a new connection: Do you need to dial a "9:" or "9," to get an outside line? (sounds silly, but many times the analog line is run through your company's switch... What do your other working connections use?) Since this is probably a long distance call, as opposed to either local or 800 numbers for your VAN's does your phone switch expect call accounting digits to be keyed after the long distance number? Have you configured the line description to use a V25bis dial string for your modem? Check the remote answer timer on the line description. It should probably be set for about 60 seconds. When all else fails, have you actually watched/listened the modem to see if it is dialing and Wal-mart is answering? If you dial the number from your desk, do you get a modem tone? If they are answering, see if you can run STRSST and then select a communications trace for the line. That will show you "scope" information for the communications session. You will need *SERVICE special authority on your user profile to run the command, but if you are going to do much comm work you'll be glad you got it... If you get to this point, I'd be happy to walk you through the comm trace screens to see if we can get you there... Hope some of this helps! Phil C -----Original Message----- From: Ron-Zimmerman Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 6:10 AM To: "EDI-L" Subject: Wal-Mart EDI I am trying to connect to the Wal-Mart network and am having no success and the contacts I have at Wal-Mart are less than helpful. I am running the Harbinger (now Peregrine) Trustedlink software on an As/400 and am successfully connecting to other VANs with no problem. However, when I try dialing the Wal-Mart network I can never get a connection and I get the message that there was no answer tone detected. Has anyone else had a similar problem with Wal-Mart, and, If so, what was the solution. I think the problem has to be something in the comm settings for the Bisync line, but I don't have any way of checking them since my Wal-Mart contact can't (or won't) give me the settings they are using on their end. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Ronald L. Zimmerman Project Manager Swiss Valley Farms, Co. www.swissvalley.com E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:35:55 -0800 From: Ryan Clough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Wal-Mart EDI Ron, I'm not sure if this helps, but I know I have trouble with my Bisynch connections (using Cleo 3780 Plus Bisynch) if I've already made any syncronous connections on that day. In order for me to transmit to Wal-Mart, I have to restart my computer. That seems to clear out my = modem settings, and allow me to connect bisyncronously. I looked through my Wal-Mart info, and came across a sheet of "Direct Communications Requirements". I'm assuming you have this info, but I = can fax it over if you don't. Ryan Clough EDI Coordinator Smith Gardens, Inc. =A0 Ph:=A0 (360) 733-4671 x.245 Fx:=A0 (360) 733-6876 -----Original Message----- From: Ron Zimmerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday January 22, 2001 6:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Wal-Mart EDI I am trying to connect to the Wal-Mart network and am having no success = and the contacts I have at Wal-Mart are less than helpful. I am running = the Harbinger (now Peregrine) Trustedlink software on an As/400 and am successfully connecting to other VANs with no problem. However, when I = try dialing the Wal-Mart network I can never get a connection and I get the message that there was no answer tone detected. Has anyone else had a similar problem with Wal-Mart, and, If so, what was the solution. I = think the problem has to be something in the comm settings for the Bisync = line, but I don't have any way of checking them since my Wal-Mart contact = can't (or won't) give me the settings they are using on their end. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Ronald L. Zimmerman Project Manager Swiss Valley Farms, Co. www.swissvalley.com E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To contact the list owner: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/edi-l%40listserv.ucop.edu/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:40:36 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: EDI & Court Docs Any wisdom to share on implementing the 175 and 176 - court related docs? Thanks, Lissa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:44:50 -0600 From: Jay Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: unsubscribe This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0849B.07D7BF00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0849B.07D7BF00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2650.12"> <TITLE>unsubscribe</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> </BODY> </HTML> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0849B.07D7BF00-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:48:43 -0500 From: Lee LoFrisco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Wal-Mart EDI For everyone's information - Wal-Mart does allow FTP for sending and receiving EDI. This was discovered while working with a mid-west food manufacturer and distributor that was communicating with Wal-Mart using 3780 bisync with CleoB+. It was a royal pain ... as you have all mentioned. Contact Wal-Mart for more info. -----Original Message----- From: Electronic Data Interchange Issues [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Catlin, Phil Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 2:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Wal-Mart EDI Ron... I don't do Wal-mart, but I do lots of Bisync on an AS/400... Some probably obvious things to check since this is a new connection: Do you need to dial a "9:" or "9," to get an outside line? (sounds silly, but many times the analog line is run through your company's switch... What do your other working connections use?) Since this is probably a long distance call, as opposed to either local or 800 numbers for your VAN's does your phone switch expect call accounting digits to be keyed after the long distance number? Have you configured the line description to use a V25bis dial string for your modem? Check the remote answer timer on the line description. It should probably be set for about 60 seconds. When all else fails, have you actually watched/listened the modem to see if it is dialing and Wal-mart is answering? If you dial the number from your desk, do you get a modem tone? If they are answering, see if you can run STRSST and then select a communications trace for the line. That will show you "scope" information for the communications session. You will need *SERVICE special authority on your user profile to run the command, but if you are going to do much comm work you'll be glad you got it... If you get to this point, I'd be happy to walk you through the comm trace screens to see if we can get you there... Hope some of this helps! Phil C -----Original Message----- From: Ron-Zimmerman Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 6:10 AM To: "EDI-L" Subject: Wal-Mart EDI I am trying to connect to the Wal-Mart network and am having no success and the contacts I have at Wal-Mart are less than helpful. I am running the Harbinger (now Peregrine) Trustedlink software on an As/400 and am successfully connecting to other VANs with no problem. However, when I try dialing the Wal-Mart network I can never get a connection and I get the message that there was no answer tone detected. Has anyone else had a similar problem with Wal-Mart, and, If so, what was the solution. I think the problem has to be something in the comm settings for the Bisync line, but I don't have any way of checking them since my Wal-Mart contact can't (or won't) give me the settings they are using on their end. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Ronald L. Zimmerman Project Manager Swiss Valley Farms, Co. www.swissvalley.com E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ======================================================================= To contact the list owner: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/edi-l%40listserv.ucop.edu/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:09:52 -0800 From: Dale Marthaller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Wal-Mart EDI I have been exchanging EDI data with Wal-Mart for a year now. I use Harbinger TLE running on NT. I have one bysync modem used for Wal-Mart = only and one Async modem used for everyone else. I can try to assist with = your problems. -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Clough [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 9:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Wal-Mart EDI Ron, I'm not sure if this helps, but I know I have trouble with my Bisynch connections (using Cleo 3780 Plus Bisynch) if I've already made any syncronous connections on that day. In order for me to transmit to Wal-Mart, I have to restart my computer. That seems to clear out my = modem settings, and allow me to connect bisyncronously. I looked through my Wal-Mart info, and came across a sheet of "Direct Communications Requirements". I'm assuming you have this info, but I = can fax it over if you don't. Ryan Clough EDI Coordinator Smith Gardens, Inc. =A0 Ph:=A0 (360) 733-4671 x.245 Fx:=A0 (360) 733-6876 -----Original Message----- From: Ron Zimmerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday January 22, 2001 6:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Wal-Mart EDI I am trying to connect to the Wal-Mart network and am having no success = and the contacts I have at Wal-Mart are less than helpful. I am running = the Harbinger (now Peregrine) Trustedlink software on an As/400 and am successfully connecting to other VANs with no problem. However, when I = try dialing the Wal-Mart network I can never get a connection and I get the message that there was no answer tone detected. Has anyone else had a similar problem with Wal-Mart, and, If so, what was the solution. I = think the problem has to be something in the comm settings for the Bisync = line, but I don't have any way of checking them since my Wal-Mart contact = can't (or won't) give me the settings they are using on their end. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Ronald L. Zimmerman Project Manager Swiss Valley Farms, Co. www.swissvalley.com E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To contact the list owner: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/edi-l%40listserv.ucop.edu/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DTo contact the list owner: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/edi-l%40listserv.ucop.edu/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:15:39 -0800 From: Eric Meinke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: unsubscribe This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0849F.5342D810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eric Meinke Membership, Edi Analyst Vision Service Plan [EMAIL PROTECTED] (916) 858-5201 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0849F.5342D810 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2651.75"> <TITLE>unsubscribe</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <BR> <BR> <P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Eric Meinke</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Membership, Edi Analyst</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Vision Service Plan</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">(916) 858-5201</FONT> </P> </BODY> </HTML> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0849F.5342D810-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:56:42 -0600 From: Orin Rehorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Mercator Trading Partner Desktop Heard Mercator EDI translators are tops. Does that also apply to th Mercator Trading Partner Desktop product? TIA, Orin Rehorst Port of Houston Authority (Largest U.S. port in foreign tonnage) e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: (713)670-2443 Fax: (713)670-2457 TOPAS web site: <www.homestead.com/topas/topas.html> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:13:23 -0500 From: "Abellana, Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Mercator Trading Partner Desktop I don't know about the Mercator translator but the Iplanet ECXpert 3.5 is a great translator that utilizes the Mercator Authoring tool. Thanks, Chris Abellana EDI Messaging Architect MedAssets.com 3755 Mansell Rd. Suite 300 Alpharetta, GA 30022 (678) 323-2556 -----Original Message----- From: Orin Rehorst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]=20 Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 3:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Mercator Trading Partner Desktop Heard Mercator EDI translators are tops. Does that also apply to th Mercator Trading Partner Desktop product? TIA, Orin Rehorst Port of Houston Authority (Largest U.S. port in foreign tonnage) e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: (713)670-2443 Fax: (713)670-2457 TOPAS web site: <www.homestead.com/topas/topas.html> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To contact the list owner: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/edi-l%40listserv.ucop.edu/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:34:41 -0800 From: Tim McMonigle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Mercator Trading Partner Desktop Mercator TP Desktop is a straight EDI translator - doesn't do much else, but it does it pretty well. It's been around for a while. Mercator also has an any to any mapper also that is much more powerful - it can translate any format to any other format on the fly. It does have utitilies for EDI translation, but is a bit klunky for that. And the learning curve is a lot higher than straight EDI translators. If you have other data translation needs other than EDI, then it is worth the higher price. But to get Mercator just for EDI translation may be a bit of overkill. Tim "Abellana, Chris" To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <cabellana@MEDA cc: SSETS.COM> Subject: Re: Mercator Trading Partner Desktop Sent by: Electronic Data Interchange Issues <EDI-L@LISTSERV .UCOP.EDU> 01/22/01 01:13 PM Please respond to "Abellana, Chris" I don't know about the Mercator translator but the Iplanet ECXpert 3.5 is a great translator that utilizes the Mercator Authoring tool. Thanks, Chris Abellana EDI Messaging Architect MedAssets.com 3755 Mansell Rd. Suite 300 Alpharetta, GA 30022 (678) 323-2556 -----Original Message----- From: Orin Rehorst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 3:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Mercator Trading Partner Desktop Heard Mercator EDI translators are tops. Does that also apply to th Mercator Trading Partner Desktop product? TIA, Orin Rehorst Port of Houston Authority (Largest U.S. port in foreign tonnage) e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: (713)670-2443 Fax: (713)670-2457 TOPAS web site: <www.homestead.com/topas/topas.html> ======================================================================= To contact the list owner: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/edi-l%40listserv.ucop.edu/ ======================================================================To contact the list owner: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/edi-l%40listserv.ucop.edu/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:44:06 -0800 From: Mats Jansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Mercator Trading Partner Desktop In my humble opinion, the TP products are only acceptable for smaller organizations, that don't have multi-user needs. It also uses the file system extensively in place of a database (although an Access database is used for configs), which becomes a bit of a challenge when you want to have multiple environments and do frequent migrations. However, as a stand-alone PC tool for its intended use (small EDI org.), it's not bad, and I especially liked the Task Lists, and the ability to cascade the task lists. Mats Jansson Extricity, Inc. Simply Powering B2B -----Original Message----- From: Orin Rehorst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 12:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Mercator Trading Partner Desktop Heard Mercator EDI translators are tops. Does that also apply to th Mercator Trading Partner Desktop product? TIA, Orin Rehorst Port of Houston Authority (Largest U.S. port in foreign tonnage) e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: (713)670-2443 Fax: (713)670-2457 TOPAS web site: <www.homestead.com/topas/topas.html> ======================================================================= To contact the list owner: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/edi-l%40listserv.ucop.edu/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:04:34 -0500 From: Chuck Boucos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Mercator Trading Partner Desktop While it's true that Trading Partner Desktop seems to be geared more for smaller environments, so is the price, which still gives it a good 'bang' for the buck. The real power, however, lies in using Trading Partner Desktop in concert with Mercator. The Mercator Customer List speaks for itself with regard to that. Personally, I have a client with over 115 Trading Partners 'doing' a dozen transactions, and experience no problems at all using the two packages. For less than $10,000 bundled, it's (I think) quite a bargain. The fact that it's 'any-to-any' is the real bonus. It's amazing how creative you can get with the right tools. The real indication of it's value, however, may lie within this ListServ, and the fact that Mercator never gets mentioned when people vent here about problems. Chuck Boucos Willow Farm Solutions http://www.willowfarmsolutions.com -----Original Message----- From: Electronic Data Interchange Issues [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mats Jansson Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 4:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Mercator Trading Partner Desktop In my humble opinion, the TP products are only acceptable for smaller organizations, that don't have multi-user needs. It also uses the file system extensively in place of a database (although an Access database is used for configs), which becomes a bit of a challenge when you want to have multiple environments and do frequent migrations. However, as a stand-alone PC tool for its intended use (small EDI org.), it's not bad, and I especially liked the Task Lists, and the ability to cascade the task lists. Mats Jansson Extricity, Inc. Simply Powering B2B -----Original Message----- From: Orin Rehorst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 12:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Mercator Trading Partner Desktop Heard Mercator EDI translators are tops. Does that also apply to th Mercator Trading Partner Desktop product? TIA, Orin Rehorst Port of Houston Authority (Largest U.S. port in foreign tonnage) e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: (713)670-2443 Fax: (713)670-2457 TOPAS web site: <www.homestead.com/topas/topas.html> ======================================================================= To contact the list owner: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/edi-l%40listserv.ucop.edu/ ======================================================================= To contact the list owner: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/edi-l%40listserv.ucop.edu/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:46:50 EST From: Tracy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Unsubscribe Please take me off the list -Thanks, Tracy Smith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:20:27 -0800 From: John Nadvornik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Response to transactions Rachel's mail below made me wonder on how people dealt with the concept of acceptance for other transactions. The EDI Standard have done a fine job in working out most of the aspect for purchasing, but I'm not sure that can be said for all other transaction. For example, lets use a bill of lading, there is no corresponding transaction that allows a carrier to accept it or even counter the offer (sure you could use the 204/990, but that is very limiting). In essence if you forget about the accept/reject/counter aspects of the transaction and more the system implication, how is one insured that the individual on the other end received and processed the transaction appropriately (997 just checking syntax compliance only). Yes, there is the 824 a transaction that I have not seen widely used and even less used for multiple transaction sets for the same trading partner. So here's my question; have others found it difficult to implement EDI in a manner whereby, you need it to act like an API. That being, you'd like your partner to code around a set of determined error conditions your application can return and have there application make the correction and resubmit the EDI transaction set. Currently, we wind up handling most of these errors as exceptions and deal with them in a manual fashion. It is very common for us to have implement several transaction with a partner to fulfill a work-flow process. I'm curious how other might have handled this situation. Thank, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: Rachel Foerster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 9:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Question, my 2 cents, more 2 cents Mike, It seems to me that some folks are confusing an EDI trading partner agreement with purchasing terms and conditions. These are very different animals. Companies can and do exchange business messages electronically but do not exchange purchase orders electronically. Additionally, the absence of a signature does NOT void a purchase order. A purchase order is an offer to buy. Once a supplier acknowledges that PO as it was received they've made an acceptance. If they change the PO in their acknowledge that constitutes a new offer or counter offer. Furthermore, once a supplier ACTS to fulfill or does fulfill the PO that action also constitutes "acceptance" of the offer to buy. Both parties have now entered into a contract which is legally binding. In basic contract law, then, what you have is an "offer to buy" and an "acceptance of the offer". This is contract law 101. It's unwise in my opinion to tie an EDI TPA to a purchasing agreement. These are separate and distinct business activities. Rachel I thought the purpose of the TPA was supplement the existing purchasing agreement to agree that an electronic document is a legal document. The absence of a signature on the electronic document opens the door to non-payment. The signature usually binds the agreement, lack of one might suggest no agreement was made. _____________________________________________________ EDI-Mike Michael Taylor EC Specialist Banctec - Corporate Information Systems (972)982-2815 ======================================================================= To contact the list owner: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/edi-l%40listserv.ucop.edu/ ------------------------------ End of EDI-L Digest - 21 Jan 2001 to 22 Jan 2001 (#2001-16) *********************************************************** ======================================================================= To contact the list owner: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/edi-l%40listserv.ucop.edu/
