James:
I am by no means an expert, or someone with authority, but I am
inclosing my telephone number (302) 368-3913, as I might be able to answer
some of your questions. Feel free to call me after 3PM EST today. AS
information, I have been involved with EDI since the mid 1970's prior to
X12, DISA and EDIFACT. I have included Yvonne from DISA on this message to
let her know that I will be attempting to field any questions you may have.
John D. Kaess
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(302) 368-3913
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Hatcher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mike Rawlins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "EDI-L Mailing List"
<[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: [EDI-L] EDI Standard Table Data
>
>
> The trail got to a silly stage and it isn't going away so;
>
> - The original thread was around standards, use there of, standards
bodies,
> distribution and copyright issues. I posted the info I found to try to
help
> the person track down where to go to get distribution rights. Bottom line
> was that if DISA is a black hole, he can go to ANSI and they should be
able
> to guide him to the right parties to legally publish or distribute X12
> information.
>
> There wasn't a shred of "technology" in the discussion. Standards attempt
> to provide guidelines on how to use various forms of technology. They are
> not technology of themselves.
>
>
> - X12 vs X.12 my apologies for the typo. It is mis-stated as X.12 many
> times and places, I should know better, it is a common error. Thank you
for
> the correction Mike.
>
> - I corrected myself in stating ANSI accredits standards committees.
> Thanks for confirming it. Mike you said DISA does not have a formal
> relationship with ANSI. Unless the info online is incorrect or outdated,
> DISA DOES have a formal relationship with ANSI. As I quoted from their web
> site:
>
> "Data Interchange Standards Association. The secretariat of the ANSI ASC
X12
> committee, which administers the ANSI X12 standards."
>
> How can they be the secretariat of the ANSI ASC X12 committee and not have
> a formal relationship? Is this committee disbanded? Even then, DISA & ANSI
> would have some form of relationship.
>
> - "Pan American EDIFACT board no longer exists" - Guess the website needs
a
> refresh. Just proves you can't trust info you find on the web. :-) Thanks
> for the update.
>
> I went and did the research as the original post piqued my interest. No
one
> had clearly explained the situation so I posted what I found. It was all
> cut and paste so I apologize if the information is out of date. Mike, if
> you have a current online resource we could reference with definitive
> information I would appreciate a link.
>
> Apologies to all for adding any new fuel to the spam fire on a thread that
> should have died awhile ago.
>
> Regards,
>
> James Hatcher
>
>
> At 11:00 AM 1/18/2005 -0600, Mike Rawlins wrote:
> >Really William, how can you tell from there whether or not my shorts are
> >tied up in a bunch? ;^)
> >
> >Seems to me that when the sole point of someone's posting is to clarify
> >terminology and they get it all wrong, that it really shouldn't be left
> >uncorrected...
> >
> >Cheers,
> >
> >At 02:19 PM 1/15/2005 -0500, William J. Kammerer wrote:
> >
> > >Mike, don't get your shorts all tied up in a bunch over a matter of
> > >terminology. That's like Sylvia Webb picking on me for not adding the
> > >"-5" to ISO 15000. These kind of flames must be what Rich Legge is
> > >referring to.
> > >
> > >After all, we have George W. Bush saying "...there's rumors on the
> > >Internets..."
> >
>(<http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/bushismvideos/v/rumorsinternets.htm)
> >
.>http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/bushismvideos/v/rumorsinternets.htm).
> > >
> > >I don't expect the President of the United States to know technical
> > >details about the 'Net - or even what it's called. And after listening
> > >to C-level executives for awhile now, there's no longer any surprise at
> > >the awkward mixture of singular and plural. These are niggling details
> > >that are beneath the dignity of POTUS. It's like knowing the names of
> > >heads of state from Third World countries. Or Canada.
> > >
> > >William J. Kammerer
> > >Novannet, LLC.
> > >Columbus, OH 43221-3859 . USA
> > >+1 (614) 487-0320
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Mike Rawlins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: "EDI-L Mailing List" <[email protected]>
> > >Sent: Friday, 14 January, 2005 12:11 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [EDI-L] EDI Standard Table Data
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >At 12:25 PM 1/14/2005 +1000, James Hatcher wrote:
> > >
> > > >DISA is part of ANSI.
> > >
> > >No. X12 is an ANSI accredited standards committee. (And it's X12, not
> > >X.12). DISA has no formal relationship with ANSI, per se, and only
> > >relates
> > >to ANSI on behalf of X12 and it's other client organizations.
> > >
> > >
> > > >Data Interchange Standards Association. The secretariat of the ANSI
ASC
> > > >X12
> > > >committee, which administers the ANSI X12 standards.
> > > >
> > > >Data Interchange Standards Association. Secretariat of the ASC X12
> > > >Committee. Also serves as the secretariat for the Pan American
EDIFACT
> > > >Board.
> > >
> > >Old information, and no longer correct. The Pan American EDIFACT Board
> > >no
> > >longer exists.
> > >
> > > >Data Interchange Standards Association - in the U.S., the standards
> > > >body
> > > >that defines EDI standards. In Europe it is UN/EDIFACT.
> > >
> > >Again, incorrect. X12 defines EDI standards in the U.S. This is done
> > >internationally (not just in Europe) by UN/CEFACT, who maintains the
> > >UN/EDIFACT standard.
> > >
> > >
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> > >www.rawlinsecconsulting.com
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