can I just jump in here a minute?  Having once been in Newby to both
this list and to EDI I've always found it a little disturbing at the way
questions are answered here.  Sometimes people ask what seems to be a
dumb question because they don't know what question to ask.  When I was
first tapped to do EDI at my former employer, I knew nothing about it
and neither did anyone else in the company.  All we knew is that our
major customer required us to be compliant or they would pull their
business.  There was no budget for a consultant and my only teachers
were the Sterling workstation manuals.  it was an uncomfortable position
to be in.  Especially since there were not as many online resources as
there are now.

 

I understand that is very frustrating for so many jobs to be outsourced,
particularly outside one's country.  However, unless someone is
obviously faking knowledge of EDI in order to get a position, why punish
those who could benefit from your experience? I know that once I was
able to meet someone who just that five minutes explaining the
hierarchical levels of the advanced ship notice, the light went on and I
was able to run with it.

 

Don't get me wrong, now that I've been in this industry for quite some
time, I recognize that there are some people could just can't grasp the
concepts of EDI.  There is a long line of former assistants who just
couldn't get the basics.  I would hope that many people who ask for help
here are either just looking for some basic guidance or, especially my
personal case, to bump ideas about how to handle certain processes from
other people who may have more experience when I do or who can look at
my problem with a fresh set of eyes and maybe put me in the right
direction.  One thing I have learned over the years, is that there comes
a point when beating your head against a wall doesn't help that asking
for help may give you that one piece of information that is required to
come up with a good solution.

 

Just my .02.  Your mileage may vary.

 

 

 

Charlotte Sigmann

EDI Administrator

Hi-Tech Pharmacal Co., Inc

369 Bayview Avenue

Amityville, NY  11701

631-789-8228 ext 4144

 

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Mike Rawlins
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 1:43 PM
To: Hurd, Richard [SLCUS]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [EDI-L] The Cries of the Clueless

 

Thank you, Richard, for stepping into this as moderator. I agree 
completely. Poking fun at the village idiot makes you a bully. Lashing 
out at the overseas newbie who just took your next gig may be satisfying

(I confess to being somewhat guilty of that on at least one occasion), 
but it is nonproductive and unprofessional. If your clients (or 
employers) are only concerned about getting the job done for the least 
money and aren't concerned about quality, expertise, reliability, etc., 
then you probably need to be looking elsewhere.

If you think the "clueless" are genuine and sincere, you have the time, 
and you want to help them out, go ahead. If not, ignore them. They'll 
go away on their own without your barbs.

Mike

Hurd, Richard [SLCUS] wrote:
> Taking off my moderator hat for a minute, and speaking as a list
> subscriber...
>
> I've been following the cries for help from the clueless "new to EDI"
people
> and also the responses that we've offered. (Myself included, so don't
think
> I'm assuming a sanctimonious attitude or anything like that.)
>
> On a visceral level, it feels good to taunt the clueless, especially
because
> "we all know" that they just got an engagement from Accenture or Wipro
or
> some other firm to do "EDIs" for a client at a tenth of our salary and
> another one of us is now looking for work because of this.
>
> But are we really sure? Remember that old saw, "On the internet,
nobody
> knows you're a dog?" (Am I dating myself?) Is this too many questions
for
> one paragraph? :)
>
> However, to be serious for a moment I'm wondering whether or not
responses
> like what we're giving are putting the readership of EDI-L in, shall
we say,
> a less complimentary light than before. We are doing the equivalent of
> poking fun at the village idiot. Remember, this sword cuts both ways;
your
> next gig may be from a communication that you make on EDI-L, or it may
be
> broken by a "dogpile" that you participate in on EDI-L. How can you be
> sure? And is this the brush you want to be painted with?
>
> I invite everyone who is reading this, and who reads the next
Srinivas' or
> Sathya's pleas for help, and do one of two things:
>
> * Emulate Mr. Douglas' measured, thoughtful and entirely appropriate
reply
> -- for my part, I plan on copying this back to any individual who uses
the
> "speed talk" method of gentle speech; or
>
> * A stony silence.
>
> Art, your reply is genius and I would like permission to add it (with
> attribution) to the welcome message for EDI-L - not that anyone reads
it or
> anything. :)
>
> Maybe I'm getting soft in my old age, but the verbal barbs are making
me a
> tad uncomfortable. Any thoughts?
>
> Rich Hurd
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