Stanley, [EMAIL PROTECTED] replied with the conversion tool, not me. There was no conversion tool for us on 3.1 either. And I totally agree with you on this. A complete rebuild of Standard Rules and Extended Rules were needed in order for our maps to work in 3.1. So, we used the existing map structure but rebuilt everything else. No matter whether Maddy uses the conversion tool or not you are correct that the bulk of the work makes it a complete rewrite of all maps. Sterling knows this and has no other easy way to migrate maps.
It all stems from the fact, Maddy, that GIS was never built as an upgrade to Gentran. GIS is a whole new beast. New maps, new processes, new purpose everything! GIS only comes with the basic EDI functionality (Deenvelope, Envelope, Translation, etc.) You have to build the business processes you want for your EDI to function as close to standard as possible. All in all it was a huge transition, but it was worth it for us. David -----Original Message----- From: stanley pool [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 8:43 AM To: Mapper Gentran; David Nielson; [email protected] Subject: RE: [EDI-L] Help Needed Dave, I did not know that Sterling had added a conversion to the GIX 4x version. My GIS 3x does not have the conversion. However; what does the conversion really accomplish? Per Sterling after the conversion you have to: "Visual Maps can be imported into Gentran Integration Suite, Release 4.0 and higher. The simple links, standard rules, extended rules, and user exits are not converted by the functionality. The converted, imported map will only contain the input and output file format layouts. All simple links, standard rules, extended rules, and user exits must be added to the converted map." It appears to only create the file layouts for the input and output. There is no mappings ie "simple links, standard rules, extended rules, and user exits are not converted". You still have to manually take every mapping instruction out of the old map and put the equivalent mapping instruction into the new map. Creating the layouts for the maps is easy. Doing the "simple links, standard rules, extended rules, and user exits" is the bulk of the work in the process. Cheers, Stanley Pool --- Mapper Gentran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Stanley, > > What you said is true. However, we can convert > visual mapper in to GIS AI map as follows: > > "Converting Gentran:Server for UNIX Maps to > Gentran Integration Suite > Gentran Integration Suite contains a map conversion > wizard to enable you to easily import Gentran:Server > for UNIX maps into the Map Editor, converting them > to the Gentran Integration Suite format. > > Note: This utility only converts maps created with > the Gentran:Server for UNIX Visual Mapper version > 5.x and above. > > For other tips on migrating from Gentran:Server for > UNIX to Gentran Integration Suite, see Map Editor > Migration Information. > To convert Gentran:Server for UNIX maps: > Select File > Import > Gentran:Server for UNIX > Maps and click Next. > Type the name of the Gentran:Server for UNIX Visual > Mapper .map or .vmp map that you want to convert (or > click Browse to locate the map or maps), and click > Next. > Note: If you are converting a map created using > Gentran:Server for UNIX version 5.1, 5.2, or 5.3, > select a .vmp file. If you are converting a map > created using Gentran:Server for UNIX version 6.1, > select a .map file. > > Tip: If you click Browse, you can select multiple > maps > > Type the name of the destination folder where you > would like the converted map to be written (or click > Browse to locate the destination folder), and click > Next. > If you do not want the Map Editor to import the map > links, clear the Create links within imported maps > check box. > Note: Only simple links are converted. > > If you do not want the newly converted map to be > automatically opened in the Map Editor, clear the > Open imported maps in Map Editor check box. > Click Finish. The utility converts the specified map > and (if designated) opens the map in Gentran > Integration Suite. If the file name already exists > in the specified directory, the Map Editor renames > the file with a numeral appended to the name, and > saves the file. For example, if ORDER.map already > exists in the specified directory, Map Editor > renames the imported file ORDER1.map, or if > ORDER1.map already exists in the directory, Map > Editor renames the map ORDER2.map. > Add the necessary map links, standard rules, > extended rules, conditional relationships, and user > exits to the converted map." > > This is from Map Editor help session and I hope > this will help you > Regards > Mike > > stanley pool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dave, > > Maddy indicated that the old system is Gentran 5.3 > which uses the Visual mapper. The AI mapper was not > used on the UNIX system until Gentran 6.0. The > Visual > mapper is not the same as the NT Gentran 4.2.02. > There is no conversion from the 5.3 visual mapper to > the GIS mapper. All maps have the be rewritten. > > Cheers > > Stanley Pool > > --- David Nielson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Maddy, > > > > I can give you our experience with migrating from > > Gentran 4.2.02 to GIS > > 3.1. We are now on 4.1 and the maps are still > > working. So, I'm betting > > the process is very similar. > > > > In order to check your maps into GIS they have to > be > > changed to > > "Sterling Integrator" maps. (Compiled map > > extensions must be .txo > > (standard) or .ltx (XML).) This breaks all Update > > or Select Standard > > Rules that reference Gentran data. It also breaks > > any Extended Rules > > that reference the database. You will have to > > rebuild your Standard > > Rules and rewrite your Extended Rules so they > > reference the GIS database > > instead. This of course requires recompiles of > > every map you have to > > migrate! > > > > GIS uses "Correlation Data" points to keep track > of > > reference data like > > PO number or PO date. These replace the Updates to > > Document Records. > > > > If you are using ODBC maps then there's a whole > new > > can of worms to play > > with. The details regarding these maps are too > > painful to explain here. > > Let me know if you need the gory details off-line. > > > > Other than that, the map migration is not too bad. > > > We had to recompile > > 150+ maps and it took us a few months to complete > > properly. Of course > > we had to compensate for the ODBC issues too. > > > > Let me know if this helps or if you need more > > information on ODBC maps. > > And of course, a bit of study (days on end) of the > > GIS documentation > > always helps too. > > > > Good Luck! > > > > David Nielson > > Lifetime Products > > (EDIJunkie) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > i_like_edi > > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:50 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [EDI-L] Help Needed > > > > Hi all, > > > > I need a help in migrating a map from Gentran 5.3 > to > > GIS 4.0. 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