I though this is EDI platform. No politics or personal opinion. Can we please
keep it like that?
Help each other out with technical stuff.
Political and personal opinion is like a wild fire spread so fast so rapidly
some time it is very hard to control them. SO I AM REQUESTING EVERYONE
RESPECTFULY PLEASE PUT A STOP TO THIS TYPE OF DISCUSION AND JUST BE POSITIVE.
Please keep it simple stupid (KISS) no INSULT TO ANYONE BUT I ALWAYS BELIVE ON
THAT.
BP
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Fri, 30 Nov 2007
09:24:31 -0800Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Re: <OFF-TOPIC> Where Executives are put up
when they go to Bangalore
Craig,I do not disagree with you. However, my main point is that very different
economy and government you talk about. At least from my experience in working
with Indians (I can't speak for Okimba or Maria), their "management" and
government take the lions share of the money and live in mansions that yes,
cost the equivalent of $35,000US. You and your mother (and myself and probably
some others here) have worked long and hard at minimally paid or "demeaning"
jobs to get where we are today. These people can't. They get the education (at
what sacrifice by their families I can't even imagine) and then they have to
PAY their employer to be ALLOWED to work for them. Or, they get sent to the US
to work at such a low wage (sounded good before they left home) so that two
professional working adults can only afford to live in a one bedroom apartment
with a card table for furniture (no ipod, no fancy SUV) while all the money
stays in the pocket of the managers inIndia. They're hostages because their
company "sponsors" their visas and they can't do anything but go back home to
worse. They're forced to pad their resumes and lie in interviews by these same
managers. Bribery and corruption are institutionalized in India, this doesn't
make for a very level playing field for any of us. This is the real problem.
Greed, lying and disregard for what I'd call some pretty basic human ethics.
Leah----- Original Message ----From: Craig Dunham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL
PROTECTED]: Friday, November 30, 2007 12:03:59 PMSubject: [EDI-L] Re:
<OFF-TOPIC> Where Executives are put up when they go to BangaloreHmmm... where
to begin....? where to begin...?!?OK... we'll start with the original concept -
the hotel.... looking at those images, I can assure you that the amenities
offered by this LUXURY hotel are not that much different than you'd find at
LUXURY hotels throughout the rest of the world - including right here in the
good ol' USA.... Some of those images look like they could have come off of the
website for nearly ANY of the properties in Las Vegas.... Those Palm Tree lined
walks, with water features and water falls - very similar to The Tropican,
Mandalay Bay, The Mirage and others.... The pool tables, fully stocked bar and
leather conversation pits - well, they abound, as well, in nearly any of the
Las Vegas resorts.... And what of the playgrounds of Hawai'i, Jamaica, the
Bahamas, Florida...? The "country resorts" in the pastoral areas of the
American North East (Maine, New York, New Hampshire) and the rest of the
country (such as Arizona, California, Oregon, Washington.. ..)....? Do I really
need to cover how many hotels that we have in this country that can easily
rival the offereings of this Banaglore hotel property.And I chose to reply to
this post from Dylan to Leah's reply - because he mentions a valid point -
about how some of the tips and salaries of the new market economy can help to
eliminate those slums - but he doesn't really go far enough with it....And no,
I'm not a cold hearted bastard with what I'm about to say....When we look at
the mere pennies and dollars that some of the workers in other countries make
daily - hell, maybe even weekly - we're basing that upon what....? Our own view
and our own economy.... We're basing this on the fact that many of us drink
bottled water that costs a dollar..... we drink 4 dollar cups of Starbucks...
.. eat "six dollar burgers".... spend hundreds on a fancy cell phone or MP3
player.... thousands on a TV or a stereo... tens of thousands (and hundreds) on
a vechicle.... hundreds and millions on a house...But, see, we're basing the
outrage on how we feel for them.... But how do THEY feel...?!? Do we only need
to look a few miles south of our own borders into Mexico (and further south
into South American countries) to see how well people can "live" on a few bucks
a day...? Can you look at some of those "children fund" commercials to see that
for just 40 bucks a month you can help little Maria or Sanjeet or Okimba have
healthy drinking water and school books and food to eat...? The point is, is
that their economy is VERY different than our own... Their political system is
VERY different from our own.... They don't have 4 buck Starbucks... . and fifty
thousand dollar SUVs and pick-up trucks.....Instead, they have a far simpler
life than we have.... They can take that 5 dollars a day that Sanjeet (or
whomever!) makes being a hostess or a waitress at that Bangalore hotel and use
it to buy a week of food and shelter for themselves.. .. they don't see the
admittedly over-the-top luxury features of the hotel as a bad thing...Why?
Because it takes a place like that (and the places you'll find in other parts
of the world!) to make that 5 bucks a day.... and the tourists and traveles
from the more advanced countries (like the US, the UK, Japan and many other
industrialized nations) who want and, yes, NEED that kind of place to stay,
that makes it possible for Sanjeet to make her 5 bucks.... or her counterpart,
Maria, over in the Phillipines. ... Or the other Maria in Brazil..... or Okimba
in Tanzania.... .Yes, it is horrifying the conditions that many of these people
live in... The level of poverty that they all face.... But look at it through
their eyes.... in many cases, it's NOT poverty.... because they don't squander
their money on anything besides the necessities. ... They don't buy the
starbucks and the iPods.... the fancy phones and other techy gadgets....
they're not buying the Estee Lauder and the Clinique.... Why? because it's not
needed....And, BTW, I've lived in near poverty like that - where you don't know
where your next meal will come from or you have hot dogs on Monday and
"frankfurter soup" on Tuesday... My mom had 5 kids and a fairly worthless
husband.... so she struck off on her own and made a future for herself - and
her 5 kids - so that they... What's the line from "Gone With The Wind"? "As God
is My witness, I shall never go hungry again!".....I've worked at some of those
hotels and resorts in Las Vegas.... and made very little money doing it.... And
I lived EVERY SINGLE DAY that I was able to live and work AND better My
situation... . I thanked My mom EVERY SINGLE DAY for the decisions SHE made and
the ethics SHE gave Me so that I would do whatever I could to better Myself and
make ends meet... to get a job here or there and then get a better job.... I
lived EVERY SINGLE DAY making the best of whatever situation I was in and
looked at the road ahead to see where I was going....Yes, I know, that in those
developing countries, they don't have those same kinds of opportunities. ....
but they also have a vastly different style of life over there and you can't
compare our Apples to their Raisins.... And Dylan makes a very valid point, as
well, about how maybe their slums will go away.... and then we can worry about
our own slums.... and that's true....In the US - far too many people are too
... I can't say PROUD, for pride has NOTHING to do with it... But we have many
jobs that are not being done - or they're being done by our legal (and not so
legal) immigrant workforce - all because some people think that they are too
good or too ________ to take that 7 bucks and hour job mowing lawns or flipping
burgers or punching keys at the Target or Wal*Mart or ______...... Instead,
many of them would rather bitch about how there is no work to be had and go on
welfare and live off of OUR backs and the work WE do... They make bad choices
and we have to live with those consequences. ...From India to Mexico to China
to Taiwan.... the poeple have a much different view of it - they look at the
fact that there is a job that pays 50 cents per hour and they will work, work,
WORK, for that job and do whatever they need to, because it IS a job.... it IS
a way to buy food and housing and the needs of life...Ok... now that you either
loathe Me or not - I'll get off the soapbox.... and I am sorry if I offended
anybody or.... I'm not trying to pick on anybody or make any wars or
enemies.... I'm just spouting My 2 bits on it..... and what a long 2 bits it
was.... so I'll even apologize for the rant....Craig DunhamEDI Coordinator
(amongst other things)Big 5 Sporting Goods.PS - the preceeding has been the
personal views of the poster and do not represent the views of anybody else -
not Yahoo, the EDI-L group, members of My family, places I've worked, and so on
and so forth.... --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] com, "Dylan Hall" <dylanjhall@ ...>
wrote:>> Hi Leah,> > I agree with you that the disparity between the opulence
at that 'palace'> and the slums is saddening. But look on the bright side ...
maybe some of> those folks who are slaving away in the hotel have spouses
starting a new> career in the IT sector. The generous tips of IT execs and the
amazing> salary their family members will bring in from their new EDI
development ...> err I mean IT job will gradually eliminate those slums. Then
we will only> have to worry about our slums!> I know that is not that funny,
but I wanted to break the tension, so 'don't> tase me bros'.> > DH> > On Nov
29, 2007 11:57 AM, Leah Halpin <leahhalpin@ ...> wrote:> > > While ambience is
neither in my vocabulary nor my dictionary, ambiance> > is .> >> > Being a mere
mile from the airport does not seem very romantic to me.> > As for ambiance,
being waited on hand> > and foot by people who are virtual slaves and go home
to hovels without> > plumbing or electricity, makes the ambiance one of
sadness, suppression> > and desperation, again, not very romantic. Guess I'm
not just a glossy> > surface kind of gal.> >> > Try the Taj Mahal if you want
romantic ambiance, at least the people> > who were forced to build this
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