Wow... SO many varied and valuable opinions and comments....  the 
depth and breadth is staggering....

Since there are so many, I decided to start back with the original 
post for My 2 bits....

One thing that nobody really seemed to touch upon with any great 
emphasis is the basic of what E D I is...  EDI is ELECTRONIC 
DOCUMENT INTERCHANGE...  At this most basic of levels - ANY document 
that is transmitted electronically qualifies as an EDI document.  
Even this simple posting can be considered an EDI document - as it 
is transmitted electronically from Me to all of you.  Sure, I had to 
manually enter this information and you have to manually read this 
information - unless you have some kind of speech recognition 
software that can read it aloud to you....  But still, simply put, 
this IS EDI.....  The document is being sent from My system to 
yours, through a series of T1 lines, servers, LANs, WANs and 
whatever other devices are being used....

I deal with a LOT of non-technical people in My EDI world... As a 
retailer, and the ONLY EDI person for that retailer, I deal with our 
own buying department as well as reps and account managers and 
presidents and sales folks and ....  you get the idea ... from many 
of the suppliers and vendors we buy from...  And, for the most part, 
quite a few of them don't have a CLUE as to what EDI is....  So in 
order to help them understand it better - to wrap their little heads 
around it - I use a simple explanation that they're generally going 
to understand - e-mail....  In this day and age, nearly anybody has 
heard of and used e-mail...  Whether they have an Outlook server 
system at work or they use any of the freebies (yahoo, hotmail, msn, 
aol, etc., etc., etc.), they still uderstand the basic concept - I 
type a message and hit send.  It goes through the line to My service 
provider.  The service provider then sends the message to your 
service provider, who then dumps the mail in your inbox so you can 
read it....  They get that.  They understand that....

When you break down the process to simple steps like that, the light 
bulb goes on....  They don't know all about the fact that these 
letters and symbols and punctuation marks are all made up of a bunch 
of ones and zeros, bits and bytes... they don't know that this 
letter or that symbol has an ASCII code of _____ and that it's 
translated to a series of gibberish from My side to be retranslated 
into normal, readable text on their side.

At this basic level, we know that scenario A in Tom's post IS 
EDI....  the document is prepared and sent electronically and then 
is translated and put into their system.

But the rub is, folks, so is scenario B....  How does that Excel 
spreadsheet get into Tom's hands...?  Probably via e-mail....  sure, 
then some human hands and eyes have to tweak and twitter with the 
information and then a program translates it and dumps it into the 
system.....  It's STILL EDI....

One had mentioned that maybe the Excel spreadsheet may be automated 
on the other side...  or something to that effect... and it is quite 
possible that it is... maybe vendor B has some macros set up in 
Excel and has a pre-set and locked down format in the spreadhseet so 
that a buyer needs only enter a quantity for this item and for that 
and save it and then e-mail it to whomever....

Years ago, QRS offered a service called MEC (Managed E Commerce) in 
which a document could be sent from a translator (such as 
TrustedLink) to a mailbox.  From there, QRS would then convert that 
EDI document to a fax sheet and fax it to the final recipient.  The 
vendor could then fill out a form about the shipment, fax it back 
and QRS would turn it into an EDI document to be sent back to the 
original sender....  When Inovis took over QRS, the MEC program was 
shuffled off to ICC who now runs the program....

Using some of the explanations below, however, these process of MEC 
would NOT be considered EDI - because there are human hands and eyes 
involved....

And what of all the web-based EDI programs and products out there?  
Whether from SPS or DICentral or Inovis or TrueCommerce or ________, 
these web-based solutions are also very human intensive....  For the 
user of these services, they need to go into the website and open 
the mailbox, look at the new documents and process them somehow 
(print them out, whatever)...  They then have to go back and 
manually enter the information regarding the shipment documents....

Mind you, for all of these examples I'm giving, I'm giving them from 
My viewpoint as the EDI guy for a major retailer.

But yes, these are all EDI documents... no matter how they're 
handled - they're EDI because of the basic ELECTRONIC DOCUMENT 
INTERCHANGE aspect - the documents are sent and received 
ELECTRONICALLY...

And yes, there are certain standards in place, and we've all 
discussed the pros and cons of this standard and that standard in 
other posts and threads and topics....

Oh, and the comment about the Bible and all the different versions 
out there - and which one is the Bible-thumper hitting - I take it 
even a step further - and ask them how they can know that it's 100% 
certain....  I mean, it was written in Aramaic first (right?) then 
translated into Greek and then Latin and then German and English 
and.....  Who's to say that when it was translated from one language 
to the next that a word was translated properly.  One of the things 
that can be easily lost in the translation is the inflection and the 
tone of what is said....

And even with EDI standards, some of that "tone" or "inflection" can 
be lost....  If I require a SKU to be sent back to Me on an ASN or 
an Invoice, it's then up to the sender to figure out My intent and 
provide the SKU back to Me.  But if in their own system, they have a 
SKU for the product and I have a SKU for the product, which SKU 
should they send to Me...?  Of course, it's the mapping document 
that I give to them that says it is to be My SKU that they send.

One other thing - basically none of us are right and none of us are 
wrong....  We're all working around the same basic principle - the 
sending of documents and data electronically - but some of our view 
on EDI (just like Religion) are very different and unique.

So... That's My input....

Craig Dunham
EDI Coordinator
Big 5 Sporting Goods.

--- In [email protected], "Tom Smith (Yes, that's REALLY my 
name!)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> My boss and I get along pretty well.  We just have some very 
> different ideas about what EDI is/does.
> Scenario:
> Customer A sends us orders in a comma delimited flat file via 
FTP.  
> Our EDI translator formats into a flat file that will go into the 
OP 
> system.  I'll call that EDI.
> 
> Customer B sends us orders in an Excel spreadsheet vie e-mail.  
> Someone here extracts the spreadsheet, checks the data & reformats 
as 
> needed, and then saved into a particular directory.  It is then 
> picked up and parsed by a Visual Basic program that creates the 
flat 
> file that eventually goes into the OP system.
> 
> I can accept A as EDI because; the file is computer generated, is 
> transmitted via FTP, is translated by an EDI tool, and almost 
never 
> requires human intervention.  Basically it goes from their 
computer 
> into ours.
> 
> I say that B is not EDI because; a person creates the spreadsheet, 
(I 
> know this because the format is inconsistent.) sends it to person, 
> who further manipulates the spreadsheet, (Due to the inconsistent 
> format) and then the spreadsheet is imported via the Visual Basic 
> program. 
> 
> I say that EDI is the computer to computer exchange of business 
> documents.  
> He says EDI is the B2B exchange of documents.
> Again, what say ye?
>




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