Ron- For me, your post was 'deja vu all over again'! About 10 years ago a customer (from a Fortune 500 company) insisted that it was not an X12 standards violation to send an N2 without the corresponding N1. Here is the section of the X12 standard that covers this (X12.59 from the 4030 version): 5.7 Segments Within a Loop
Segments. Each instance of a loop (i.e., a segment group; note again that the header and summary areas are segment groups as well) contains one or more segments: * Each segment within a loop structure is identified by its ordinal positioning within the complete transaction set definition. Each segment's order within the loop, relative to other segments within the loop, is defined by the sequential order of the ordinal positioning identifiers. * The beginning segment of a loop defines an instance of a loop. For any instance of a transaction set, for any loop within any area of a transaction set, the first occurrence of the beginning segment of the loop (which must be present if any other segments in the loop are present) will identify the first instance of the loop, the second will identify the second instance, etc. Each instance of a loop shall be considered the parent structure of any segments enclosed within the boundaries of that loop (the first and last segments, inclusive, of the loop, per the transaction set definition). Each instance of a segment shall be considered the parent structure of any data elements used in that segment, as allowed by the segment definition. Tony Baran EXTOL International, Inc. www.extol.com <http://www.extol.com/> ________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 10:54 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [EDI-L] EDI with UPS: N2 segment without a preceding N1 segment Does anyone have a document the prove my claim that an N2 segment (Additional Name Information) must always come after an N1 segment (Party Identification). Specifically, we went live with UPS for EDI 214 and they send me, sometimes (actually, very rarely) an N2 segment that does not come after an N1. My EDI translator (Inovis TLE Unix) will give me a translation error. According to UPS, I am the first one to complain about this issue with their EDI 214 data. They say that "N1" is optional, which, of course it's optional, but it's not optional to have N2 without N1 in my opinion. Ron Herrmann EDI Coordinator Brother International Corp. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ ... Please use the following Message Identifiers as your subject prefix: <SALES>, <JOBS>, <LIST>, <TECH>, <MISC>, <EVENT>, <OFF-TOPIC> Job postings are welcome, but for job postings or requests for work: <JOBS> IS REQUIRED in the subject line as a prefix.Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EDI-L/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EDI-L/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
