Mike > Cynical as usual, are we Earl? ;^) So, we're back to the same question.
Yes, always. Especially when it comes to 'non-profit' organizations. > OK, you want the X12 standard to be free. Who do you think should pay > for the continued maintenance and distribution costs? The key players who benefit the most can contribute money and/or staff. Volunteers can contribute their time and expertise. (they are already doing so, correct)? The maintenance can be automated. Meetings can be by teleconference. I'll do the distribution for free. It's called an ftp server. Google Drive, Dropbox, whatever... > I think X12 and DISA really do need to start looking more seriously at > the expense side of the equation rather than just looking for more > revenue. I have said this for years. > But that's a completely different discussion and to my > knowledge no one on this list has access to the detailed financial > information necessary for an intelligent, informed discussion. As I mentioned before, all 501(c) organizations have to supply financial information on request. I received the Form 990 from DISA for 2002 and 2004. In 2002 they spent $457,030 in 'Occupancy'. That's $38,000 per month and almost 25% of all revenues. Rent? They moved shortly after and in 2004 cut the occupancy expense to $132,283. That's only $11,023 per month. Be informed, write to DISA.org and ask for a copy of their Form 990. Data Interchange Standards Association 7600 Leesburg Pike, Suite 430 Falls Church, VA 22043 > ----------------------------------------- > Michael C. Rawlins, Senior Software Engineer, GXS > Sent from personal account > > On 7/2/2013 9:04 AM, Earl Wertheimer wrote: > > > > Mike > > > > > I'm curious, if you don't mind: How many of you on this list routinely > > > purchase the latest version of the X12 standard every year. > > > > Never bought it. > > > > The revenue goes to support inflated salaries and overpriced rents. > > > > In the few years that I saw DISAs financial records, the primary > > expense was > > salaries and benefits. > > > > Like any other bureaucratic entity, DISA exists to provide nice jobs > > for its > > employees. > > > > The X12 standard should be free. > > > > > On 6/28/2013 11:12 AM, Klaus-Dieter Naujok wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 28, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Bill Lester wrote: > > > > > > > > > Klaus, so you think if I buy the CD and load the codes into my > > > > business application, I am liable for the maintenance fee? Even if I > > > > never use the CD again. > > > > > > > > That's my reading of the terms, since your business application is a > > > > derivative of the product (the CD content). I don't agree with this > > > > type of licensing and lucky for me, my products and services are > > > > UN/EDIFACT based. > > > > > > > > Since we have a few X12'ers on this list, I am sure they can explain > > > > in detail the implication of this new pricing scheme. > > > > > > > > Klaus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > ... > > > Please use the following Message Identifiers as your subject prefix: > > <SALES>, <JOBS>, <LIST>, <TECH>, <MISC>, <EVENT>, <OFF-TOPIC> > > > > > > Job postings are welcome, but for job postings or requests for work: > > <JOBS> IS REQUIRED in the subject line as a prefix.Yahoo! 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