Hi Folks,
Unfortunately, we are just getting ready to put updates to the DSC and FDF
specs out on the web. The next revision of the specs probably won’t come out
until the end of the year.
Until that time, we can use this e-mail.
I will update statements in the specs from “may not” to “should not”.
For the tools to support nested !include statements, please submit your patch.
This is a reasonable request.
As Andrew pointed out, this will lead to confusing error message line numbers,
so I will also add in the spec that if nested !include files are used, the
error message line numbers are not necessarily correct due to the use of
!include files.
We may be able to enhance the build system in the future to provide better
error messages with more accurate line number information, and suggestions are
welcome.
Cheers,
Larry Hauch
Intel Corporation
SSG, STO, Platform Software Infrastructure
705 5th Ave S. Suite 500
Seattle, WA 98104
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From: Andrew Fish [mailto:af...@apple.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 1:56 PM
To: edk2-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [edk2] Question on DSC double includes
On Jun 30, 2015, at 1:34 PM, El-Haj-Mahmoud, Samer
<samer.el-haj-mahm...@hp.com<mailto:samer.el-haj-mahm...@hp.com>> wrote:
Thanks Andrew. I have a fix for the back to back !includes. I will send a patch
with the fix….
Thanks!
I also have a patch to allow for nested !includes. But I cannot submit it until
the DSC spec issue statement below is cleared up. Anyone can comment on the DSC
spec?
My reading of the specification is it does not restrict you from doing this, as
it makes nesting an optional feature.
From: Andrew Fish [mailto:af...@apple.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 1:03 PM
To: edk2-devel@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:edk2-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [edk2] Question on DSC double includes
On Jun 30, 2015, at 10:54 AM, El-Haj-Mahmoud, Samer
<samer.el-haj-mahm...@hp.com<mailto:samer.el-haj-mahm...@hp.com>> wrote:
The DSC Spec v1.24 explicitly says: “File specified by !include statements may
not contain !include statements.”.
From working on industry specifications for last 15+ years, and channelling my
inner Mark Doran…..
May in this context is optional, so an implementation that included more
nesting would be OK per the spec.
From a specification point of view the correct forms are MUST NOT, or SHALL NOT.
While "may not” restricts permission in its common usage in English, I don’t
think it is well defined in the context of a spec.
https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt
1. MUST This word, or the terms "REQUIRED" or "SHALL", mean that the
definition is an absolute requirement of the specification.
2. MUST NOT This phrase, or the phrase "SHALL NOT", mean that the
definition is an absolute prohibition of the specification.
3. SHOULD This word, or the adjective "RECOMMENDED", mean that there
may exist valid reasons in particular circumstances to ignore a
particular item, but the full implications must be understood and
carefully weighed before choosing a different course.
4. SHOULD NOT This phrase, or the phrase "NOT RECOMMENDED" mean that
there may exist valid reasons in particular circumstances when the
particular behavior is acceptable or even useful, but the full
implications should be understood and the case carefully weighed
before implementing any behavior described with this label.
5. MAY This word, or the adjective "OPTIONAL", mean that an item is
truly optional. One vendor may choose to include the item because a
particular marketplace requires it or because the vendor feels that
it enhances the product while another vendor may omit the same item.
An implementation which does not include a particular option MUST be
prepared to interoperate with another implementation which does
include the option, though perhaps with reduced functionality. In the
same vein an implementation which does include a particular option
MUST be prepared to interoperate with another implementation which
does not include the option (except, of course, for the feature the
option provides.)
6. Guidance in the use of these Imperatives
Imperatives of the type defined in this memo must be used with care
and sparingly. In particular, they MUST only be used where it is
actually required for interoperation or to limit behavior which has
potential for causing harm (e.g., limiting retransmisssions) For
example, they must not be used to try to impose a particular method
on implementors where the method is not required for
interoperability.
7. Security Considerations
These terms are frequently used to specify behavior with security
implications. The effects on security of not implementing a MUST or
SHOULD, or doing something the specification says MUST NOT or SHOULD
NOT be done may be very subtle. Document authors should take the time
to elaborate the security implications of not following
recommendations or requirements as most implementors will not have
had the benefit of the experience and discussion that produced the
specification.
Thanks,
Andrew Fish
Based on the version history, this was added in v1.22a in December, 2011.
Any reason why this limitation exists? We have scenarios where we need common
features to have their own DSCs file to be included from other (less common)
DSC files (for at least 2 or 3 levels of includes).
+1 on this one!
Also there are times that this will fail.
!include A.dsc
!include B.dsc
And doing ‘!include’ breaks line numbers in a lot of error messages.
Thanks,
Andrew Fish
Thanks,
--Samer
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