Morelli Paolo wrote:

>>I have to analyse some clinical data. In particular the analysis is a
>>comparison between two groups of the mean change baseline to endpoint of a
>>score. The statistician who planned the analysis used the ANCOVA on the mean
>>change, using as covariate the baseline values of the scores.
>>Do you think this analysis is correct?

Dennis Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>NO! ... this is not a legitimate covariate ... a pre measure of the same 
>thing you are measuring latter as evidence of effectiveness

Neither the question nor the response are all that clearly phrased, but
when I interpret them according to my reading, I don't agree.  For instance,
if you're measuring pain levels, I don't see anything wrong with measuring
pain before treatment, randomly assigning patients to treatment and control
groups, doing a regression for pain level afterwards with the pain level 
before and a treatment/control indicator as explanatory variables, and 
judging the effectiveness of the treatment by looking at the coefficient for
the treatment/control variable.  Or is the actual proposal something else?

   Radford Neal

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Radford M. Neal                                       [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dept. of Statistics and Dept. of Computer Science [EMAIL PROTECTED]
University of Toronto                     http://www.cs.utoronto.ca/~radford
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