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In Laplace's /Philosophical Essay on Probabilities/, I've read a
passage that troubles me, and I hope someone can shed some light
on it. It's on pages 15-18 of the 1951 Dover paperback containing
the translation into English by Truscott and Emory.

The troublesome passage refers back to Laplace's "Sixth Principle",
which I quote here:

     L: Sixth Principle.-- Each of the causes to which an
     L: observed event may be attributed is indicated with just
     L: as much likelihood as there is probability that the event
     L: will take place, supposing the event to be constant. The
     L: probability of the existence of any one of these causes
     L: is then a fraction whose numerator is the probability of
     L: the event resulting from this cause and whose denominator
     L: is the sum of the similar probabilities relative to all
     L: the causes; if these various causes, considered a priori,
     L: are unequally probable, it is necessary , in place of the
     L: probability of the event resulting from each cause, to
     L: employ the product of this probability by the possibility
     L: of the cause itself.

This troubled me on its own, the idea of reasoning back from
observed events to the probability of causes, but I forged ahead
to his Seventh Principle. I won't quote it here because the
example illustrates my difficulty better than the general
principle:

     L: Let us imagine an urn which contains only two balls, each
     L: of which may be either white or black. One of these balls
     L: is drawn and is put back into the urn before proceeding
     L: to a new draw. Suppose that in the first two draws white
     L: balls have been drawn; the probability of again drawing a
     L: white ball at the third draw is required.

At this point I stopped to think. Try as I might, I couldn't see
a _logical_ procedure for computing the desired probability on
the information given.

     L: Only two hypotheses can be made here: either one of the
     L: balls is white and the other black, or both are white. In
     L: the first hypothesis the probability of the event
     L: observed is 1/4; it is unity or certainty in the second.

So far I have no difficulties: the above four lines could be
duplicated by any student at the end of a first lecture on
probability. But now it gets tricky:

     L: Thus in regarding these hypotheses as so many causes, we
     L: shall have for the sixth principle 1/5 and 4/5 for their
     L: respective probabilities.

I see how he combined the numbers: 1/4 + 1 = 5/4; (1/4)�(5/4) =
1/5 and 1�(5/4) = 4/5. The result is plausible to this extent:
the urn must indeed contain either two white balls or one white
and one black, and the sum of the probabilities he gives is 1/5 +
4/5 = 1. I can follow his calculation, but my problem is with
this sort of ex post facto reasoning, using a single experiment
with known outcome to assign probabilities to unknown causes.

Laplace continues:

     L: But if the first hypothesis occurs, the probability of
     L: drawing a white ball at the third draw is 1/2; it is
     L: equal to certainty in the second hypothesis; multiplying
     L: then the last probabilities by those of the corresponding
     L: hypotheses, the sum of the products, or 9/10, will be the
     L: probability of drawing a white ball at the third draw.

My problem is with reasoning about the _probability_ of an event
(two white balls being in the urn, or one of each color being in
the urn) after the fact. This seems like looking at a golf ball on
a particular tuft of grass and asking the probability it would
land there; or it seems like the Monty Hall paradox.

It seems to me that an assumption is necessary to solve this
problem. For instance, we can assume that the person who
originally filled the urn did so at random. Then there would be a
1/4 probability it received two white balls, 1/2 for one of each
color, and 1/4 for two black balls. Our experiment has ruled out
the last case, so we are left with (1/4)�(1/4+1/2) = 1/3 as the
probability of two white balls and (1/2)�(1/4+1/2) = 2/3 as the
probability of one white and one black. In this case the
probability of a third white ball is (1/3)x1 + (2/3)*(1/2) = 2/3.
        
But other assumptions are possible. For instance, the person who
filled the urn might have deliberately chosen two white balls. In
this case the probability of a third white ball is obviously 1.
Or the person might have chosen one white and one black ball, in
which case the probability of a third white ball is 1/2.

So Laplace says the probability of a white ball on the third draw
is 9/10, and he does not mention making any assumptions. I say it
could be 2/3 or 1/2 or 1 (or something else), depending on
assumptions, but that on the facts as stated, without _some_
additional assumption, it cannot be computed at all. 

Laplace was a great mathematician, but he lived two hundred years
ago and the mathematics of probability have advanced since then.
Even so, I suspect it's more likely that I'm wrong than that he
is. Can anyone put your finger on the logical flaw here, where
mine or that of the Marquis?

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