Dennis Roberts seemed to utter in
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: 

> At 02:31 PM 4/3/03 -0500, Rich Ulrich wrote:
> 
>> >
>> > I have been directed to the t-test to gather this
>> > information.  When I look at the t-test, however,
>> > it appears to be geared toward *estimating* the
>> > difference in the means of a population based on
>> > a *sample* of the population.  Since I am using
>> > the entire population, can I still use the t-test
>> > to determine if the difference in the means is
>> > statistically significant?  Is there another test
>> > that should be used instead?
> 
> 
> sort of agreeing with rich ... if there is a $1000 buck difference in 
> average salaries ... that is what it is ... the notion of a
> "statistical" inference is irrelevant ... you could not attribute that
> to "sampling error" if the null were true
> 
> since importance is not the same as statistical significance and, you
> don't really have an inference to make here ... doing something like a
> t test seems to me ... inappropriate
> 
> if someone WANTS (insists) you do this ... because they have heard that
> to compare two groups you use a t test ... then they clearly do not
> understand what statistical inference is all about ...

That's exactly what is happening here.  Not surprisingly,
it is the federal government who insists on this 
analysis.  :^)

> now, if you are assuming that your males and females are but samples 
> of all the years and salaries that you have had or could have (ie, target 
> population is much much larger) ... perhaps THEN ... some inferential test 
> might be ok

I found Radford Neal's reply to this the most logical
support for doing the t-test in this scenario.  When
looked at from his perspective (similar to what you said
here) it can be supported.  I guess I have to look at it
in this way to feel I'm not misapplying this analysis.

-- TRW
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