On 26/06/06, Andre Roberge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The latest version allows importing arbitrary images for the robot.
It will also require me to draw some "robot viewed from
above" pictures which will stretch even more than before my artistic
abilities! ;-)
I'm not an artist either but if I succeed (one day) to make something descent I'll let you know.
> - For the sake of simplicity you've decided that the robot can only turn
> left but never right. For me it makes Rur-ple quite "silly" and above all
> this apparent "simplicity" (you can't go right) is generating *complexity*
> quickly.
Again, this was adopted from the original Karel the Robot. The idea
here is to have an "obvious" need to introduce functions early on.
Later, I make use of this when I implement a "better robot" that
inherits from the original one but has been repaired so that it can
turn right directly.
Ooops, my apologies, I understand "why" now , I don't like the implications but at least I understand it.
My point, which was perhaps poorly explained, is that rur-ple is meant
as a tool to introduce the whole of Python i.e. it is open ended in
that regards.
Yes I think it's a strong point of rur-ple, I also like that in xturtle which give full access to Python.
I always viewed Logo as a means to introduce programming within
Logo's environment ... but not really practical outside of this
(unlike Python). I may have been prejudiced due to ignorance there.
I don't think Papert is interested at all in Logo as a "language" but only as a possible vehicule for the maths and exploration concepts behind it (to produce "hard-fun" "tools to think with"/ microworlds / differential/kinesthesic approach, etc ). That's why I think it could have a great future with Python inside the "turtles" concepts.
Apart from that, what's left of Rur-ple ? ;-)
It was just my opinion but as I said if think the robot approach is very valid and you're doing a great job.
Now I understand the left turn only but it seems strange for me :
When I was a kid, Japanimation and the Mecha genre invaded France and Italy and it was a huge hit. At Christmas all boys had cool robot toys. I think if we saw a robot which has been designed to turn left only but not right we would have killed and bury him to preserve robots reputation :(
I guess I was spoiled ...
And as for your "French blood" complaints... I know they are
well-intended and I much prefer to see such public criticism which I
can use as motivation for improvements. And being one of your
cross-Atlantic French cousins myself, I can relate to this direct,
outspoken approach. ;-)
Thanks for your explanations and honesty but I guess you also have more diplomatic skills on your side of the Atlantic which is not bad. :)
thanks
francois
André
> francois
>
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