Hi, Here is some more information on why I (maybe wrongly) moved the MeetingLogs. I would appreciate a non-emotional and rational discussion which would lead to a clear task as how I need approach this issue.
1. /MeetingLogs is an effort to centralize meeting logs, transcripts and records. It is maintained by the ScribesTeam. - https://wiki.edubuntu.org/MeetingLogs - the meeting logs page. - https://wiki.edubuntu.org/ScribesTeam - the Scribe Team page 2. the Scribes team last meeting was 2007 10 29, about two years ago. - on the page is a link to the irc logs, http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/, which also is sprinkled throughout our wiki, which is since long not functional. This leads me to believe that the ScribesTeam is not very active. - I was going to contact the scribes team though, to see if they can summarize our future meetings. I would have also discussed the location of our meetinglogs. I realize now, that I might have better done that before the moves. 3. The Edubuntu MeetingLogs page is https://wiki.edubuntu.org/MeetingLogs/Edubuntu - I changed it's contents to point to our Meeting page, which in turn directs people to the new meeting logs & records. - The meetinglogs where structured like this: - MeetinLogs/Edubuntu - MeetingLogs/Edubuntu_2007-04-05 So instead of the more logical MeetingLogs/Edubuntu/2007-04-05 they where each formatted as Edubuntu_2007-04-05 - some of them where formatted like Edubuntu-2007-04-05 so they where sorting in the wrong order (hyphen instead of underscore!) One was formatted like Edubuntu_2007-04-4 which also sorted wrong.. I.E. the meeting logs where not in chronological order. 4. Contents of the meeting logs. - some of them where raw IRC logs, like https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/WikiSite/Meeting/Logs/2005-11-23 - some others where summarized logs, like https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/WikiSite/Meeting/Logs/2007-06-06 5. Completelessness. - From 2007-09-05 till 2009-07-17 there is *nothing*. - After 2009-07-17 there is only one log written by me (in the new location). 6. Relationship with MeetingRecords on the Edubuntu Wiki. - the Edubuntu wiki had a page called MeetingRecords. This was a long page of summarized meeting logs (not raw logs). - some of these logs also had a counterpart in /MeetingLogs/Edubuntu_yyyy-mm-dd as raw logs. Some had not. - the purpose to have all meeting logs in one place was obviously not reached, since some logs where to be found in MeetingLogs/Edubuntu_yyy-mm-dd and others in Edubuntu/MeetingRecords (which I had already moved to Edubuntu/WikiSite/Meeting/Records) 7. What I did.... - I moved all logs from /MeetingLogs/Edubuntu_yyyy-mm-dd to /Edubuntu/WikiSite/Meeting/Logs/yyyy-mm-dd, and fixed the out of order logs by giving them their proper date. - I also included in each log: -- a #title (which helps google) -- an include: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/WikiSite/Includes/MeetingLogs -- a heading (f.e. = Meeting November 23, 2005 = ) The include enables us to add some text or a link to ALL meeting logs at once, for instance, in this case, "This is a log or summary of an Edubuntu Meeting. Please go to the Meeting Page for more information about our meetings." This helps people who land on a meeting log trough a google search and don't really know where to go to. We could add anything in that include, it will instantly be available to all the meeting logs. - Then I took the summarized logs from MeetingRecords. I each gave them their own page so they are now available as /Edubuntu/WikiSite/Meeting/Logs/yyyy-mm-dd. As noted earlier, some of these summarized meetings had no equivalent in the meeting logs. Sometimes they had; I merged the summarized meeting with the raw log if that was available. You can see an example on https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/WikiSite/Meeting/Logs/2006-12-20 - I 'included' all the separate meeting logs into the page /Edubuntu/WikiSite/Meeting/Logs and this has the effect that it's one long (2.5 MB) page that includes all the separate pages. Adding a new meeting log in /Edubuntu/WikiSite/Meeting/Logs/yyyy-mm-dd will automatically update the long page, without having to edit that page. It's an autmated include: <<Navigation(children)>> <<Include(^Edubuntu/WikiSite/Meeting/Logs/.*)>> Conclusion. For me the new meeting log structure is more concise then the old one. All meeting logs that where spread out, wrongly named etc, are now in one place and easy to find. There is still the issue of https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/WikiSite/Meeting/Records/Archive. These are logs from 2006 backwards, but in a totally different format then the other logs. It still lists the next meeting as "2006-02-01 12:00 UTC, but it is still TO BE CONFIRMED." It also mentions the wrong link to the irc logs (fabbione). I propose to clean it up, and move it to /Edubuntu/WikiSite/Archive/MeetingRecords and make links from the main Meeting page to it. Remains to be discussed the problem of me moving the pages from /MeetingLogs. Personally, I think it is no great loss if they are moved away from there. There is still the page https://wiki.edubuntu.org/MeetingLogs/Edubuntu that leads people to the new structure. I strongly doubt that there are any external links referring to a specific meeting. In any case, it's possible for me, and I am willing to, make redirects for each individual page I moved. I would propose to make redirects to the main meeting page, instead of to the individual logs though, as to direct people to the more general topic of 'Meetings' instead of the specific meeting log of let's say 2005-01-08. Form there it's easy to search for the correct meeting log from the menu at the top of the page (it lists all dates chronologically), and in any case that also links MORE meetinglogs then the original pages did. I still think it doesn't make a lot of sense to create those redirects. I also want to see if it's possible to contact the scribes team to hear what they think about it an how they can assist us in summarizing future meetings.. Please note that the discussion about the use of 'WikiSite' is independent from this discussion, I'd like to talk about that too, soon. Sincerely, Ace -- edubuntu-devel mailing list [email protected] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel
