Maybe we should follow the peer reviewed literature and construct a weighted rubric of different indicators: bytes, references, and article policy criteria advancements:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1096751611000492 http://eric.ed.gov/?id=ED424257 http://www.pareonline.net/pdf/v17n4.pdf I would much rather see paid advocacy bytes removed than POV essay bytes added. Best regards, James Salsman On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 7:31 AM, Juliana Bastos Marques <[email protected]> wrote: > If you allow me, perhaps I should rephrase: > > ***After all requirements of quality are assessed and evaluated***, what > would you consider a reasonable number for the minimum of bytes in the final > article? > > Indeed, maybe this question overlaps with some of the criteria for GA/FA, > but I also suppose they are not the same for all Wikipedias. > > Juliana. > > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 9:01 PM, Jon Beasley-Murray > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Well, a little unfair perhaps. The education program was not a single >> thing, and I certainly acknowledge your own valuable contributions >> throughout, that consistently ensured (and continue to ensure) a more >> thoughtful approach to counteract the editcountitis and bytecountitis that >> was prevalent in other quarters. Still, there's no denying that the focus >> on quantity (seemingly at the expense of quality) has always been, and >> continues to be, one of the major sources of tension between the education >> program and the Wikipedia community. Hence there is good reason to think >> and talk in other ways about how to assess and encourage student work. >> >> Take care >> >> Jon >> >> On Jan 29, 2014, at 1:23 PM, Sage Ross <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 4:04 AM, Jon Beasley-Murray >> > <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> In short, focussing single-mindedly on bytes contributed (as the WMF >> >> has repeatedly done in the past) in counterproductive and goes directly >> >> against Wikipedia's own criteria for what are (rightly) valued as its most >> >> important and valuable contributions. >> >> >> > >> > Jon, I think you're being unfair here. Despite being much harder to >> > measure, quality has been part of WMF's education programs since the >> > beginning. During the Public Policy Initiative, we created a system >> > for quantifying article quality (and how the work of student editors >> > impacted it) that was directly based on WP:WIAFA [1]. >> > >> > It should be uncontroversial to say that what we -- and by "we" I mean >> > both WMF and the editing community -- want is large quantities *of* >> > high quality content. From what I saw, the leaderboards were pretty >> > effective at motivating a handful of most involved classes during the >> > Public Policy Initiative -- classes with instructors who were the most >> > into the goal of improving Wikipedia -- and for those classes, the >> > quality was also high. For the classes that were doing lower quality >> > work, from what I remember they were also the ones that did not take >> > an interest in the leaderboard. (I also suggest that the Pune pilot >> > would have gone just as badly with or without leaderboards; counting >> > bytes was not among its critical problems.) >> > >> > (I agree that, for evaluating an individual student's work, bytes >> > added is not a great metric, and in general there are some dangers to >> > incentives based on quantity of text.) >> > >> > [1] = >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_United_States_Public_Policy/Assessment >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Education mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Education mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > > > > > -- > www.domusaurea.org > > _______________________________________________ > Education mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > _______________________________________________ Education mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
