Although I understand, i do agree with Shani and Vojtech
derek
On 29-09-15 10:45, Shani wrote:
Thanks, Vojtěch.
Resending this with James CCed (for some reason he was ommitted from
the thread).
Shani.
On 29 Sep 2015 11:43, "Vojtěch Dostál" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I am with Shani on this. After WMF stopped the technical support
of the extension, the old bugs remained unsolved and new [even
more dangerous] ones were found. Education programs run in 70
countries worldwide and an increasing number of countries wants to
employ the extension to keep track of their increasing number of
students. This should be a high-priority thing for the foundation,
given the importance of education programs in promoting and
improving Wikipedia. The current extension should get a person
responsible for developing it and fixing bugs ASAP; otherwise it
is a waste of money and resources for both WMF and local
communities which want to run education programs efficiently.
This doesn't mean that a new Extension cannot be a solution in the
long-term. A realistic guess is that it wouldn't be ready within
the next year, though. The decision should be discussed with the
Wikimedia Education community and, best, coordinated by people
from the Education Collab. We are a group of volunteers who often
use the extension and recommend it to other program leaders. We
should get regular updates on the situation so that we stay
up-to-date and can inform others of the situation. The information
that Education extension is not to be deployed on any new wiki was
not announced at all. I understand you might not want to go into
detail for security reasons, but the information itself should
have been announced.
Thank for taking the situation seriously.
Vojtěch Dostál
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2015-09-29 2:32 GMT+02:00 Shani <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>:
James,
After reading your reply to Craig, it is important for me to
make sure that members of the Wiki-EDU community are part of
the discussion of exploring other tools.
This affects all of our work and some of us have put hours and
hours of volunteer work into working with it and developing
teaching practices with it.
While this tool has never been perfect, it's all we have. And
while for you this issue might be just another technical
glitch that needs fixing, for me, and for other educators,
it's our wiki (and academic) life.
It matters and we care.
Since we are the ones with the practical experience working
with the extension thus far, and know best what's working
well, what's not, what's missing, etc., I believe it would be
beneficial for all parties to make sure this experience does
not go into waste.
I understand the complexity of working on something like this
with too many a people.
*So may I suggest a task force with reps. from the education
team as well as volunteers with hands-on experience? *
Just to be clear, I'm not trying to step on any toes here;
just want to make sure the community's interests are part of
the discussion and decisions that affect our day-to-day are
not taken without considering us.
Sincerely,
Shani.
On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 3:04 AM, James Alexander
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
Hey Craig,
We're hoping to get the stop-gap in place within the week.
Longer term... it's difficult to say. It's deep enough
that we're not entirely sure we can 'fix' the extension
but will look into that in addition to other options and
other tools.
James Alexander
Manager
Trust & Safety
Wikimedia Foundation
(415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur
On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Craig Franklin
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi Floor,
Is there any ETA on when we can expect this remedial
work to be completed?
Regards,
Craig Franklin
2015-09-29 8:09 GMT+10:00 Floor Koudijs
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>:
Dear Filip,
I am so very sorry to hear about these
frustrations with the deployment of the Education
Extension. The problem is that there have been
recent security issues with the extension.
Engineering and our Trust & Safety department are
working on some stop gaps to allow the extension
to remain in place (and likely be deployed) while
we determine what to do with the recent security
issues.
Please rest assured that we are working hard both
on keeping the Education Extension going, and on
thinking about a better tool to replace it for the
future.
Feel free to follow up if you have any further
questions. I've cc-ed James Alexander here.
Best,
Floor Koudijs
Senior Manager, Wikipedia Education Program
Wikimedia Foundation
+1.415.839.6885 x6806
<tel:%2B1.415.839.6885%20%C2%A0x6806> (landline)
+1.415.692.5289 <tel:%2B1.415.692.5289> (cell phone)
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education.wikimedia.org
<http://education.wikimedia.org/>
On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Filip Maljkovic
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
Hello everyone,
Recently, a security issue has been found with
Education extension. As a result, new requests
for installing the extension on Wikimedia
wikis are being "stalled", i.e. blocked for an
indeterminate period. Can someone from the
Foundation comment on this? I don't see why we
shouldn't install the extension to more wikis,
if the current installations are still working
as-is (i.e. they're not being uninstalled
because of the security issue, as far as I know).
While it might be a long shot, is it possible
to influence this decision somehow?
I feel thoroughly disappointed, having held
community discussion and vote, and then
waiting for a month (!) for no apparent
reason, just to be outright told that it's
unlikely to happen anytime soon. [1]
[1] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110619
Cheers,
Filip Maljković
Wikimedia Serbia
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