Thanks all. Everyone is welcome to chip in with ideas to the prabricator task created by Tighe: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T186325 I hope we come up with a centralized solution. I think it would be pretty silly if every community had to do this data back-up on their own.
As for the "adequate replacement" - I already explained. Our community feels that the Dashboard isn't integrated enough into Wikipedia. Bots which run on enwiki and transfer data from WikiEd dashboard might help here and I had some well-appreciated help from Sage on that - but the community asks technical questions and requests additional tweaks which I am not sure if they are possible or not. Is there any documentation on these bots besides this <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Programs_%26_Events_Dashboard#Enabling_automatic_edits_on_a_new_wiki>? It would be nice if WMF Education team gathered technical information on this. How frequently is this information updated by bots? What happens if people leave courses or the courses end? Can community opt out of one or more features of this? These are the sort of questions people ask. cheers Vojtěch Dostál předseda rady / chair of the board Wikimedia Česká republika | http://www.wikimedia.cz Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/Wikimedia.CR> | Twitter <https://twitter.com/Wikimedia_CR> | Newsletter <http://eepurl.com/b--eXr> 2018-02-02 16:42 GMT+01:00 Tighe Flanagan <[email protected]>: > Thanks for flagging those issues, Vojtěch. > > We do need to figure out all the implications of the deprecation of this > software. > > As one starting point, I've created an umbrella task to look at data > retention for the MediaWiki extension on Phabricator and subscribed folks > who replied in this thread. That could be a place to organize and create > sub tasks that look into that issue more fully: > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T186325 > > The other issue is feeling like you don't have an adequate replacement in > the Programs and Events Dashboard. I would encourage folks to adopt the > tool since the MediaWiki extension is not a viable option for the long > term. The dashboard does have some base level support and maintenance, and > you can give specific feedback on the Meta talk page here: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Programs_%26_Events_Dashboard > > If you're completely new to the tool, there's even a training available > here: > https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/training/learning- > and-evaluation/using-the-dashboard > > It would be particularly useful to know what is lacking in your view. Put > another way, what's keeping you from adopting the tool? At the moment, my > colleagues in Community Programs and Community Tech are looking into > conducting some user research since this need was one of the top wishes in > the most recent Community Wishlist Survey. Please add any feedback to the > Meta talk page or you can direct it to me via email and I will pass along. > > Best, > Tighe > > -- > Tighe Flanagan > Senior Manager, Wikipedia Education Program > Wikimedia Foundation > [email protected] > education.wikimedia.org > > On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 5:58 AM, Shani Evenstein <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Agreed. > > > > Shani. > > > > On 2 Feb 2018 09:43, "Sara Mörtsell" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I'd really like to see the issues Vojtěch is raising addressed. I felt > the > >> announcement about shutting down the Education extension was leaving out > >> important details about data retention for example. > >> > >> Best, > >> Sara > >> > >> On 2 February 2018 at 08:24, Vojtěch Dostál < > [email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Hello. > >> > > >> > I just read this: > >> > https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/News/January_ > >> 2018/Education_ > >> > Extension_scheduled_shutdown > >> > > >> > If WMF wants to shut something down, OK, but then it's WMF's > >> responsibility > >> > to replace it adequately. In the article, I see no mention whatsoever > >> of : > >> > > >> > 1) *data retention *- how will WMF do this so that no data on courses > >> and > >> > enrolled students is lost? Please remember this is data manually > >> collected > >> > by hundreds of volunteer teachers. > >> > > >> > 2)* providing a feasible alternative* - although Dashboard is very > >> helpful, > >> > it doesn't really communicate with Wikipedia unless there is a bot > >> > transferring the data from Dashboard to userpages and coursepages on a > >> > respective wiki. Many people from our community actually prefer us > using > >> > the Education extension because it displays information about students > >> > on-wiki. If Dashboard is to be the tool of choice for student courses, > >> it > >> > should be much easier to set up a bot to transfer this data. > >> > > >> > The Czech team is fairly big and professionalized and we could > probably > >> > cope with (1) on our own and maybe (2), but it's 100 countries we're > >> > talking about here and I'd expect a more coordinated solution. > >> > > >> > What do others think? > >> > > >> > Vojtěch Dostál > >> > > >> > předseda rady / chair of the board > >> > Wikimedia Česká republika | http://www.wikimedia.cz > >> > Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/Wikimedia.CR> | Twitter > >> > <https://twitter.com/Wikimedia_CR> | Newsletter < > >> http://eepurl.com/b--eXr> > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Education mailing list > >> > [email protected] > >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> *Med vänliga hälsningar, * > >> *Sara Mörtsell* > >> > >> > >> Sara Mörtsell | Education Manager, Wikimedia Sverige > >> <http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida> > >> [email protected] | +4673-383 26 70 <+46%2073%20383%2026%2070> > >> > >> *Stöd fri kunskap genom att bli medlem <http://blimedlem.wikimedia.se/ > >! > >> * > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Education mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Education mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > _______________________________________________ Education mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
