That's an excellent point, Peter. Maybe we should be thinking about how to integrate Transifex into the process right from the start. For many use cases, that would be the best way to manage the translations, rather than having to give translators access to Studio.
- Andy On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 10:13 AM, Peter Pinch <pdpi...@gmail.com> wrote: > Please keep in mind the OLX impact of these options. We still want to be > able to export and import multilingual courses (and maybe be able to > facilitate the translation process outside of studio) > > On Feb 16, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Andy Armstrong <an...@edx.org> wrote: > > Hi Ignacio, > > Thanks for this excellent post. As you say, Open edX doesn't provide great > support in this area as yet, and it is a very important area. We are > creating a new team here at edX to work on i18n issues (lead by Bill > DeRusha) so now is a great time to agree as a community on how to move > forward. > > I think your suggestion of starting with XBlocks is a good one, and would > be a simple place to start. However, as you say, the blocks need to be > moved out of the platform which complicates matters. It also seems > problematic that every single block needs to become locale aware. I have a > couple of ways to approach this that are more general in nature, but which > are obviously bigger in scope. > > My first idea to consider is to provide a new container block that > conditionally renders different children based upon the user's locale. We > already have a container block that hasn't been made available on edx.org, > but which allows child blocks to be shown conditionally based upon certain > criteria (mostly successful completion of problems at this point). We could > either extend that block, or provide a new i18n-specific block that is > better suited to that purpose (IMO the latter is the better option). > > My second idea is to use cohorted courseware which already provides a > great way to handle conditional content. The challenge with this is that > you'd have to put users into cohorts based upon their locale, which seems > complicated. However, the UI for cohorted content is much cleaner than the > conditional block, in that you can click on the "eye" icon on any block and > change who it is displayed to. Maybe this could be extended to work both > for cohorts and for locales. You could then imagine that the block could be > shown with a flag indicating that it is only shown for a particular locale. > A variant of this would be to have the units themselves be conditional, so > you would add a copy of each unit per supported language. I don't know how > well this would work because it would be hard to see that the various > copies were correctly synchronized. > > Thinking this through some more, in both cases it would be very hard to > manage a large course. Essentially every block would need to have multiple > variants, and at that point maybe you are going through as much work as > building the course multiple times. Would there ever be any shared content > across these courses, or would every block have to be rebuilt for each > language? Maybe the key point is that the core settings of the block is the > same, and it is just any text settings that have to change. If there are > more of the former than the latter, then your suggestion would scale better. > > I hope this is helpful. I think this is a very exciting area to be > improving as we try to make Open edX available to the whole world. > > Thanks, > > - Andy > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Ignacio Lozano <iloz...@emergya.com> > wrote: > >> Motivation >> Open edX has a large an heterogenuous student community. It is normal to >> search a course in their language, sometimes even users preffer to take the >> adventure of doing courses in foreign languages - then it is useful to see >> the two versions of the course: in their language and in the foreign >> language. >> >> The student option of swapping the course from one language to another >> could be known as "*Multi-lingual courses*" >> >> Problem >> Open edX hasn't a built-in multi-lingual courses capability. Therefore, >> you have some workaround alternatives: >> >> - Design a course per language (if you have 2 languages, you will >> design 2 courses) >> - Confusing for the student >> - Difficult to manage >> - ... >> - Add HTML blocks with JavaScript code in order to hide one content >> based on a language selector) >> - Difficult to manage in the CMS for designers >> - Only for HTML components >> - Static language and designer needs to have HTML + JS skills >> - Courses use several components, in a MOOC the basics are: HTML, >> Videos and P2P >> >> >> Approaches >> Because XBlocks are pieces that can be included in Open edX when you >> want. I think it could be interesting to design some multi-lingual XBlock >> version based on the native XBlocks. >> >> HTML and Video are inside the edx-platform and i think we need first to >> the XBlocks from the core. Benefits: modular design, easy to extend, >> community, etc. >> >> Some notes in the Slack for the HTMLModule: >> CMS: change the "data" to a dictionary, add a select on the setting >> form and deal with a dictionary (language => content) instead of straight >> content >> LMS: Adding the flag feature and getting the content of that dictionary >> (dictionary which will be stored in the mongo structure of our xblock) >> >> I would like to ask to the community about this interesting topic. 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