Hello everyone, Seems that there is a great interest in having a tutorial for the VE especially for WEP workshops. However, as a volunteer Wikipedian, I have always looked at it as a tool that could help with copyediting and fixing typos after a long editing session for example or that would help a new user make a quick change without a need to master the editing techniques. I would have thought like Filip that Visual editor wouldn't need a tutorial. It's just like social media websites that people work on directly and learn by practice. Anyway, sorry Filip, seems the majority looks at it differently.
Would it be helpful if there is a learning pattern <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Learning_patterns> on helping with VE? If yes, would anyone of the VE users be able to volunteer for creating it? Also, if another more practical detailed option is needed I would be happy to create a PDF tutorial. It can be uploaded to Commons so that anyone can print and dispense in the workshops as a handout. Do you think any of those two ideas would help? Do you have other ideas that could be more practical? On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:49 AM, Pine W <[email protected]> wrote: > I am very happy to see such strong interest in VE from the education > communitty. > > FYI, if we don't hear back about a lesson plan for VE training in the next > few days, either in Hebrew or English, I will contact our colleague Michal > who is the executive director of WMIL to see if she can provide us with at > least a Hebrew version that we can use for inspration. > > Pine > On Feb 22, 2015 2:14 PM, "Vojtěch Dostál" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I also wondered if there is a VE-oriented training somewhere. It seems >> there isn't - because VE is in a state of flux. >> >> Because Czech Republic uses VE to train students we are in a great need >> of such a training, and are currently asking for a small contract to write >> a simple wiki-based tutorial, mostly based on Wikipedia:Training module >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Training/For_students> for >> students. >> >> If there is a Hebrew VE training could someone please link it? It would >> be lovely to see it, at least to get some inspiration. >> >> thanks >> >> >> Vojtěch Dostál >> >> místopředseda / vice-chairman >> Wikimedia Česká republika / Wikimedia Czech Republic >> http://www.wikimedia.cz >> Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/Wikimedia.CR> | Twitter >> <https://twitter.com/Wikimedia_CR> | Newsletter <http://eepurl.com/FsHJr> >> >> >> 2015-02-22 14:02 GMT+01:00 Leigh Thelmadatter <[email protected]>: >> >>> I still do not use VE in my training (despite having 200+ students >>> working on three campuses) because there are too many things it cannot do. >>> I dont have time to constantly play with it to see if it is now good enough >>> to use. I will likely not use it until it is accepted by the wider >>> community. However, the lack of a viable VE does make scalability very very >>> difficult, especially with older teachers who adjust less to idea of coding >>> in any form. >>> >>> +1 on the frustrations for those with new accounts. I understand the >>> need for protections with new accounts, but why in the heck does the >>> captcha "error" message appear at the top and the captcha itself at the >>> bottom? Students only see the red "error" and I have to tell them to go to >>> the bottom and its only a captcha. In addition, because we use wireless >>> with the same IP address, we get errors when I am having a class move text >>> into sandboxes or copy/paste finished articles into the mainspace. Most >>> students cant use the move function as they dont have enough errors. Even >>> if they did, using it would render the sandbox worthless because of the >>> redirect. Add to this trigger-happy bibliotecarios in es.wiki who erase >>> student work with little or no explanation, the last two times being >>> wrongly done. >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 11:55:31 +0000 >>> From: [email protected] >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Editor training with VisualEditor >>> >>> On 22 February 2015 at 10:33, Filip Maljković <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> It is my impression that the VE should be ideally made in such a way >>> that a tutorial isn't really necessary. But I guess we don't live in an >>> ideal world :) >>> >>> That is the "ideal world according to Silicon Valley", not the world we >>> inhabit as Wikimedians. >>> >>> The projects want useful content, and how people write for Wikipedia >>> matters much more than how they do on Facebook. The world of no manuals, no >>> help pages, no support is not one in which we can easily grow our community >>> of productive Wikimedians. >>> >>> And the way the WMF releases software makes life very hard for trainers. >>> >>> It is literally true that you need to check the night before giving a >>> workshop, with a new account, what the current experience for a newcomer to >>> Wikipedia is (capchas, strange messages, moving buttons and all). >>> >>> I believe the latest WMUK training leaflet takes the VE as a given. I >>> know their older leaflet on images mentions it, in a way found confusing to >>> a newcomer (as I found - she was a Computer Officer). >>> >>> Charles >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ Education mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Education mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Education mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Education mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > > -- Samir Elsharbaty, Communications Intern, Wikipedia Education Program Wikimedia Foundation +2.011.200.696.77 [email protected] education.wikimedia.org
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